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o.k. I won't argue with that if there has been success with states willing to step and enforce the law. I really haven't read up on any of that, and I agree that we should enforce the law. Keeping them out or inconveniencing their route is good, but what about the ones that are already here? Do you think we could honestly send them back without major repercussions? I just think there has to be a political solution as no administration is going to work directly on the issue at hand due to not being able to survive politically when all the ACLU, Marxist-Mex organizations create civil unrest, hurt the economy etc. I just don't see real change happening without a compromise because illegal supporters are entrenched in the system?

jamesrage

The repercussions will be felt by those who employed illegals,I could care less if criminals are no longer allowed to profit from illegal activities.If they go out of business then so be it.If they couldn't afford to hire legal workers then they should have never went into business in the first place,you do not buy a car,house,jewelry and live a lifestyle you can not afford.The same thing should apply to running a business.

As for the minuscule sales taxes from illegals, that is taxes that should have never been there in the first place and labor is only a small fraction of the cost.I will be more than happy to pay more for produce. Considering my state doesn't tolerate illegal immigration all our builders,contractors,landscaping specialist and so on are legal.


A compromise happened twenty years ago,which is why most people today oppose amnesty. You should look up Reagan Amnesty aka Immigration Reform and Control Act 1986/Simpson-Mazzoli Act. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

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Slantedfacts

Good Post John!

this is an invasion and we are nearly assimilated into the Mexican economy.

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I read up a bit on the 1986/Simpson-Mazzoli Act, and then found another one which you could call the LBJ Democrat aka Amnesty 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments, which happened well before 1986. It goes back to my argument of enforcement which there is no political will to acheive because no politician could survive in office in my opinion doing what needs to be done directly.

conman

Our economy will have to endure the initial shock of losing the illegal workforce, but it would evolve and survive. This article sums up the cost that illegals are imposing on us. It's a hefty bill that we should not have to foot.

The article also states that granting amnesty to illegals would nearly triple the average deficit per household.

This is not a race issue, it is an economic and cultural issue.

Zyphlin

So by this logic, I'm assuming you're also in support of slavery as it was how we did business 200+ years ago so we shouldn't do it differently today?

No, America wouldn't be what it is today if not for the immigrants that came from all over the world to this country when it was a fledgling nation, and assimilated into what became the American Culture.

Just like America wouldn't be where it was today if not for, unfortunantly, their hand in slavery.

That doesn't mean that either of those things should be handled now, in 2008, like they were in the 1700 or 1800's.

Additionally, you find a very small number of people honestly opposed to LEGAL immigration practices. There are some, but the vast majority of people complaining about immigration issues here are people upset with ILLEGAL immigration.

We are no longer a fledgling country. We are no longer a country with tons of rooms in our cities for a huge swell of people. We are no longer a country that doesn't have a gigantic welfare state that these people become entitled too immedietely. We are no longer a country that can afford to care less about who comes in as long as they want to work hard becuase we don't have enough citizens to fill all the jobs that we need.

There is a place in our country for immigrants, both well qualified ones and ones that are just looking for a better simpler life. But it is also important that we know who these people are, that they follow the same rules as everyone else trying to come in, that they are looking to ASSIMILATE and not just IMMIGRATE into America, that their backgrounds in regards to possible criminal instances is known, and they come in to contribute to society as much or more than they're taking from the government. I don't think you're going to find a large amount of people that are opposed to those things.

The problem with illegals is often times we DON'T know who these people are, they are NOt following the same rules as anyone else, often times they do NOT assimilate, and their backgrounds are completely unknown. The only part of the above things they are POSSIBLY doing is contributing to society more so than taking from it, and even that's not a certainty.

Do the laws perhaps need tweaking or upgrading? Most likely yes, but that doesn't mean in the mean time the current ones should just be tossed out and ignored wholesale.

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conman

Nevermind my post. I seemed to have misplaced the article.

Rogue

Maybe you SHOULD read up about the states passing these new tough on illegals laws, because you seem to be missing the point entirely. These laws actually affect those illegals already here by removing the jobs and social services for illegals here. These laws resulted in a mass exodus of illegals in those states that passed them, proving that these laws work and that this is the way to proceed. Most of the illegals that left these states did not go back to Mexico, however, they just moved to neighboring states that didn't have these laws. So those neighboring states need to pass their own tough on illegals laws.

The beauty of it all is that passing these laws at the states level simply bypasses the political parties and all the special interest groups in Washington with their carefully bought politicians which has resulted in a dysfunctional fed gov, regarding illegal immigration.

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I think you may need to rethink the contributions of the Mexican immigrants (majority of illegals in this country) as it seems that you may be trying to devalue them. Maybe also rethink how the U.S. uses cheap labor all around the world, to be in your eyes, a prosperous nation now.

I agree with what you are saying as far as laws. I just think that in order to come up with a comprehensive solution we need to offer something to the illegals that are already here as a compromise with Mexico, and then strictly enforce the law after than, maybe use guest worker programs because our country does need this cheap labor, and taxing it would be a huge benefit, but we would need true enforcement.

For example you want to know who the illegals are and almost all of us knows where they are, but apparently we are not able to enforce laws because of certain anti descrimination protect etc. that doesn't let police inquire about immigration status? I could round up 100 a day on my way to work everyday. Doesn't seem like a difficult thing to enforce, yet our politicians trying to be diplomatic with Mexico, and avoid civil unrest in my opinion need to first offer the illegals something in return as this has been enabled for so long?

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Thats great and I agree it would be great if we could chase illegals from state to state until all states just say enough is enough, but it probably won't happen because illegals are so entertwined in the system that we need a compromise to offer to them and then hammer down after that in my opinion. Maybe you are right though, that the states may come up with the solution themselves and solve the problem.