tryreading

You misunderstood, or I didn't make myself clear. $10/hr is the going rate for any 'crew member' hired for this company. And the work at their level is unskilled. My point was that the Hispanic guys are the ones who stay after being hired.

1069

No, I think you misunderstood him; he's suggesting that if you paid more than the "going rate", maybe white guys would stay, instead.
Apparently you don't care about the amount of melanin in your unskilled workers' skin, you subversive anti-American traitor, you.

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Panache

So some people can get the job done for less. Since you can't compete with them you want to kick them out instead? What makes you think that these people who are willing to work hard for less are any less deserving of a good life than you are?

John1234

"Going Rate" is the key here.
He said "crew" so i assumed skilled workers.
If he was paying skilled workers to do anything at all then $10.00 would be between 1/2 and 2/3 as much as the going rate. The going rate of anything.

I also don't care what the color of their skin is.
If thousands of white people came to my town all looking to do my job cheaper and they all came at once... and they are breaking the law just to be here... trust me, i would be equally as upset.

And whatever it is that you do, I guarantee you that if thousands of people came to your area to do your job for less that you would be quite annoyed too.
My issue is not with immigration. My issue is with thousands of them coming to your area at once, all wanting to do your job for less than you made as a child.

John1234

I am all for them having a good life.
In their country.
In fact i wish all the money we were spending on our wars was going to help poor nations.

And you like many others think the problem is competing with them.
The problem is not competing with them. For quality or for man vs man they don't even qualify as competition from what i have seen. They are mostly unskilled workers thrown into skilled trades.
The problem is employers paying too little and a government that wants to ensure low cost of products and services which means more profit for special interest.

1069

Honey, ten dollars an hour is more than I've ever made in my life, for doing any job that wasn't shady.
That's not peanuts, ten dollars an hour.
It's like almost double the minimum wage.

John1234

Thats all relative to the job in question.
Also to my knowledge you can not find any job offering "minimum wage". so thats not a very good comparison.
To bring each American up to a point where they can pay all normal bills and live alone, minimum wage would have to be at least $12, i would think.

But before you start naming off jobs in your area that offer minimum wage, please consider that in my area there simply is no such thing.
A 16 year old starting out at burger king starts at $9.00. I know because they have had a sign up in their window for 6 months, less than a 1/4 mile from my house. (Maybe they are waiting for me, ha!)

tryreading

I wish I had some of that melanin-wouldn't have to worry as much about skin cancer.

1069

Well, that's the thing; poor people don't get to live alone.
They have to shack up right off the bat; either marriage (common law or otherwise) or roommates, and by the time they're my age, they don't even want to live alone.
I can't imagine it, frankly. I'd go insane.
Pooling resources is the way to go. I can't imagine that anybody below a certain median income level actually lives alone or could afford their own place... but it's not like they really expect to. Living alone isn't necessarily part of the American dream.
And of course illegal immigrants take it to a whole other level, living five or six to a one-bedroom apartment, ten or twelve to a trailer, etc.

UtahBill

In their country is the key....
Our problem is having a country right on our border that is corrupt and uncaring about its people to the point that they have a small middle class and a large peasant class. If we are to export jobs it should be to Mexico, and to the Caribbean islands, and some day to Cuba. Our immediate neighbors should be the ones we help first. Those on the other side of the world should get help from THEIR neighbors...

We export some jobs not so much for the cost of labor aspect, but the pollution aspect, and ignore the problems created when Mexican officials allow their own water and air to be polluted, just to get those jobs. That creates problems for us as well. Going across the border and building an assembly plant for cars and trucks isn't enough, we need to build the supporting infrastructure and show them how it is done.

We are going to be spending billions rebuilding Iraq, and they HATE us. They will take our money one day and use it to buy weapons the next day, in order to kill us. That money should be spent here, showing the world how democracy works here, and then if they want what we have, we will help them attain it, but we should not just give it to them. They have to work for it, so that they have a personal investment in it. It is the old give a fish, or teach how to fish story.

If we help them obtain a better life in THEIR country, they won't be wanting so much to come to OUR country.

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