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Old 12-12-07, 07:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Crossing the Line Illegal Alien Drunk Driving

Everyone should watch this documentary about hispanic drunk driving.

A University of North Carolina Highway research center study shows that hispanic drivers involved in crashes were 2 1/2 times more likely to be drunk than white drivers and 3 times more likely than black drivers. Hispanics account for 18% of all drunk driving arrest in North Carolina but they are only 6.4% of the population. And drunk driving is the number 1 cause of death for hispanics in N.C. The statistics speak for themself, and our federal government does nothing about it.

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Old 12-12-07, 08:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Crossing the Line Illegal Alien Drunk Driving

A documentary shouldnt be wrapped with emotional crap like this.Im not watching anymore if i watch a documentary i want it to stimulate the logical part of my brain not emotional.I want to be presented with the facts with suggested solutions basically the truth not just something aimed at pulling at the heart strings.
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Old 12-12-07, 09:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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A documentary shouldnt be wrapped with emotional crap like this.Im not watching anymore if i watch a documentary i want it to stimulate the logical part of my brain not emotional.I want to be presented with the facts with suggested solutions basically the truth not just something aimed at pulling at the heart strings.

Did you watch the entire documentary? You must not have because they do cover the facts. They cover statistics as well as suggested solutions. The reality of the problem is that people die and people suffer. How could they leave out the result of drunk driving on peoples lifes? Have a heart for crying out loud.
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Re: Crossing the Line Illegal Alien Drunk Driving

First of all this is not a documentary. It's brief news program that focuses on emotional pleas than the actual problem it is presented as covering.

In the way you present these videos, you are turning the problem of drunk driving into a racial issue, which it is not. It's cultural and you know this. That cultural influence degrades with assimilation and by generational growth. You also know this, yet you don't mention this. This is about 1st generation Hispanic immigrants, not about HISPANICS. Which is what you seem to be focusing on.

I watched all of these videos in their entirety and here are my thoughts on the videos and how they have been presented here.

The first video focuses almost exclusively on emotional case study. Nothing more. It's designed to elicit emotionally charged feelings instead of critical examination of the facts. This a red flag right off the start.

The second video again spends much time on emotionally charged interviews and video of wrecked cars. It does talk about the problems of a broken judicial system and the unsecured borders, but puts an unbalanced level of responsibility on the "immigrant Hispanic," while just paying a small bit of attention to the fact that this immigrant, using the same name in all cases, was not prosecuted like he should have been. They knew who he was, the problem was our court systems didn't work together like they should. Here is some news you may not know...this exact type of scenario has played out hundreds of time over the years, only it has been an American citizen who has been responsible. Just ask MADD about this. Further, it makes a blanket statement about Hispanics being more prone to drive drunk, yet fails to point out that the study only covers NC arrest reports without examining all the details of the arrests. All we know is that Hispanics get arrested and charged with drunk driving more frequently than blacks or whites. There are many factors that go into determining probable cause for a car stop. The reason I point this out is because it's a simple fact of life that Hispanic drivers, especially in certain geographical areas, are much more likely to get pulled over and checked out than whites or even blacks (I find it quite odd at the amount of public outrage over black getting targeted and pulled over, but nobody really cares when the exact same thing happens to Hispanics...you just don't see those videos on Youtube or the MSM played over and over again). Bottom line, there was little in true examination of the issue of why Hispanics are more likely to drive drunk or be arrested for driving drunk, but a heavy reliance on crying parents, crash footage, and a politicians viewpoint on dealing tough with illegals. I'm seeing a pattern here.

The third video finally starts to focus on the cultural issues and makes some good points, particularly in talking about the society the first generation immigrants come from. But it does a very piss poor job of actually examining the "statistics." Simply pulling a few percentage talking points that paint a bad picture of Hispanic immigrants is not an examination. It's an exercise in hyping people up.

I'm not at all impressed with these videos because they are not even remotely objective nor are they critical in their examination of the problem. They media pieces with an objective..."look at the tragedy Hispanic drunk drivers cause."

The day you actually care about drunk driving is the day you begin posting about all the native born drunk drivers and the havoc they cause. You will be so busy posting thread after thread about that issue that you won't have time to spam these forums with this kind of racial fear mongering.

And yes it's racial, because these videos are targeting Hispanics as the problem more than drunk driving, and rely on cherry picking numbers that draw emotional reaction more than they do on actually examining the issue.
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Old 12-13-07, 01:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
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this is not my news documentary it was put out by WRAL channel 5 In North Carolina. How is it that you are blaming me for its content? And an other thing, in the first few minutes they explained that most arrest for DWI in N.C. were white men. The facts that you don't like came from a study by the University of North Carolina. It is a fact that Hispanics disproportionatly represent DWI's in N.C. Are you disputing those facts.

Here it is go read it yourself

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this is not my news documentary it was put out by WRAL channel 5 In North Carolina. How is it that you are blaming me for its content? And an other thing, in the first few minutes they explained that most arrest for DWI in N.C. were white men. The facts that you don't like came from a study by the University of North Carolina. It is a fact that Hispanics disproportionatly represent DWI's in N.C. Are you disputing those facts.

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It is your thread and you posted it. You referred to it as a documentary...it's not. You painted it as a story covering statistics and suggested solutions...it only did that in a very weak manner. I didn't say I didn't like the facts...I said they did a very poor job of presenting them. None of what I said is false.

You are making drunk driving a race issue but trying to mask the race with some facade of legitimacy. I only ever see you on these forums complaining about a crime when it is related to a Hispanic.
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Re: Crossing the Line Illegal Alien Drunk Driving

I have said this before and I will say it again. Drunk driving is an often destructive, selfish, irresponsible, and totally preventable behavior, that damages thousands and thousands of lives each year. When I see it presented as the cornerstone of a thread on illegal immigrants it demeans the drunk driving issue.
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I have said this before and I will say it again. Drunk driving is an often destructive, selfish, irresponsible, and totally preventable behavior, that damages thousands and thousands of lives each year. When I see it presented as the cornerstone of a thread on illegal immigrants it demeans the drunk driving issue.
Sorry you can't see things my way. And this news story indicates I am not alone in the way I see the issue.
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You are making drunk driving a race issue but trying to mask the race with some facade of legitimacy. I only ever see you on these forums complaining about a crime when it is related to a Hispanic.
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Old 12-19-07, 10:07 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I have said this before and I will say it again. Drunk driving is an often destructive, selfish, irresponsible, and totally preventable behavior, that damages thousands and thousands of lives each year. When I see it presented as the cornerstone of a thread on illegal immigrants it demeans the drunk driving issue.
Get over it. This is a forum to discuss immigration issues, particularly the problems associated with illegal immigration. This is a perfect forum to discuss these 3rd world misfit drunks that drink and drive and kill thousands of AMERICANS each year. If these particular illegal aliens had been kicked out, which our quisling leaders particularly jorge and the Democratic Congress refuse to do, these thousands of AMERICANS would still be alive.
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