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On illegal immigration from Mexico

ocean515 said:
These children/families/??? are coming from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, etc.. At least according to the DHS. The fact is, these countries have been banana republics for generations, yet we haven't seen the mass illegal movement like has been experienced over the last 3+ years - at least when it comes to these unaccompanied children and families? So what triggered the movement? I've already identified the cause.

These failed countries are failed because of the people and culture who created them. The government wasn't lowered in by some outside agency to rule the people there. The are failed because the people have failed them. And they want to bring that attitude of failure and culture here. Hell no.

As to your final point about employers, I absolutely agree. First, E-Verify to protect honest efforts by honest businesses. Second, destroy any business, along with confiscation of all their private assets to settle fines, that knowingly hires illegal aliens. The penalty should be brutal, complete, and non-dischargeable for any reason.
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Mass immigration from Central America during the past three years? Other than the refugees from El Salvador's civil war, I'm not aware of any spike in immigration from there.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Mass immigration from Central America during the past three years? Other than the refugees from El Salvador's civil war, I'm not aware of any spike in immigration from there.
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Here is the problem I have. You're engaging in debate on a subject you apparently know little about. As a result, the effort becomes extremely one sided.

For example, to answer your statement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_American_immigration_crisis

The surge has increased rapidly, doubling in volume each year,[1] reaching crisis proportions in 2014 when tens of thousands of women and children from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras migrated to the United States.[​

If you're going to make statements and take positions, it is incumbent upon you to be informed. It requires you to do some research to insure the position you are taken is indeed factual and complete.

Given how one sided this obviously is, I think I will move on.

Have a good day.
 
ocean515 said:
Here is the problem I have. You're engaging in debate on a subject you apparently know little about. As a result, the effort becomes extremely one sided.

For example, to answer your statement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_American_immigration_crisis

The surge has increased rapidly, doubling in volume each year,[1] reaching crisis proportions in 2014 when tens of thousands of women and children from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras migrated to the United States.[​

If you're going to make statements and take positions, it is incumbent upon you to be informed. It requires you to do some research to insure the position you are taken is indeed factual and complete.

Given how one sided this obviously is, I think I will move on.

Have a good day.
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I admit I didn't realize there were so many.

Obama must be really successful, running around Central America rounding up desperate women and children to come to the US to vote Democratic.

But, a Christian nation would never turn away desperate refugees or simply send them back saying that their problems are their own fault.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I admit I didn't realize there were so many.

Obama must be really successful, running around Central America rounding up desperate women and children to come to the US to vote Democratic.

But, a Christian nation would never turn away desperate refugees or simply send them back saying that their problems are their own fault.
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Again, it serves no purpose to throw in trivial snarky comments like claiming I've suggested Obama himself is running around. Further establishing your lack of knowledge on the subject is not necessary at this point. It is a given.

Outside agencies affiliated with Obama, Hillary, and other liberal/socialist progressive groups are doing the on-site coordinating.

For example - George Soros

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/about/programs/international-migration-initiative

We operate by catalyzing policy change through carefully calibrated strategies that respond to the political context and specific obstacles policymakers face. In some instances, change is best achieved by directly equipping high-level officials with practical policy solutions. Elsewhere, we support outside actors who can exert pressure and generate momentum for change, while also building civil society’s capacity to collaborate with government officials.​

Someone possessing an objective mind would be asking why the global mass migration over the last few years? Why are so many people on the move all of a sudden? There has been war and oppression for decades, and such movement across so many different continents didn't happen on such a scale before.

So an objective mind would be looking for something to explain it. The link to Soros involvement above is just the tip of the Global Social Justice initiative that explains it all.
 
ocean515 said:
Again, it serves no purpose to throw in trivial snarky comments like claiming I've suggested Obama himself is running around. Further establishing your lack of knowledge on the subject is not necessary at this point. It is a given.

Outside agencies affiliated with Obama, Hillary, and other liberal/socialist progressive groups are doing the on-site coordinating.

For example - George Soros

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/about/programs/international-migration-initiative

We operate by catalyzing policy change through carefully calibrated strategies that respond to the political context and specific obstacles policymakers face. In some instances, change is best achieved by directly equipping high-level officials with practical policy solutions. Elsewhere, we support outside actors who can exert pressure and generate momentum for change, while also building civil society’s capacity to collaborate with government officials.​

Someone possessing an objective mind would be asking why the global mass migration over the last few years? Why are so many people on the move all of a sudden? There has been war and oppression for decades, and such movement across so many different continents didn't happen on such a scale before.

So an objective mind would be looking for something to explain it. The link to Soros involvement above is just the tip of the Global Social Justice initiative that explains it all.
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The "mass" migration from Central America is easily enough explained. It's a lot like the mass migration from Syria. People are fleeing a dangerous situation.

I'd think most of us would do the same if we were in that situation. The idea that the women and children refugees could stay home and fix their home country is rather silly, it seems to me.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The "mass" migration from Central America is easily enough explained. It's a lot like the mass migration from Syria. People are fleeing a dangerous situation.

I'd think most of us would do the same if we were in that situation. The idea that the women and children refugees could stay home and fix their home country is rather silly, it seems to me.
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War and oppression in many of these countries has been ongoing for 70 years or more. At no other time has this resulted in millions of people suddenly deciding to bail to other nations. An objective mind would recognize this as unusual.

Appealing to sob stories doesn't address the bigger picture.
 
ocean515 said:
War and oppression in many of these countries has been ongoing for 70 years or more. At no other time has this resulted in millions of people suddenly deciding to bail to other nations. An objective mind would recognize this as unusual.

Appealing to sob stories doesn't address the bigger picture.
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So, now it's millions and they're suddenly deciding to flee a war that has been going on for 70 years or more because Obama has sent his minions to attract them to the USA?

For what purpose?
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, now it's millions and they're suddenly deciding to flee a war that has been going on for 70 years or more because Obama has sent his minions to attract them to the USA?

For what purpose?
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LOL

I don't do obtuse.

Again, have a nice day.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, now it's millions and they're suddenly deciding to flee a war that has been going on for 70 years or more because Obama has sent his minions to attract them to the USA?

For what purpose?
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In the case of the syrians obama is guilty of inviting them here

As for the rest they want to come and its his job to keep them out.
 
Patrickt said:
I would never call "liberal" on this. Based on just this paragraph:
"* "Illegal migration ended eight years ago and has been zero or negative since 2008, because migration is a young person's game. If you don't migrate between the ages of 15 and 30, you don't migrate at all, and the average age in Mexico is now 28 years old."
I would call, "Idiot." The average age in Mexico is 28 so there has been no undocumented workers, or kids, coming into the U.S. from Mexico for Barack Obama's reign. Nonsense. Now, if you said, the number leaving exceeded the number entering I'd say, "Prove it." There is no evidence that is true and we don't count illegal aliens coming in and going out. Oh, but, we can make up numbers, can't we? Great.

So, I won't call "liberal". Stupid works, though.

I still go for sending a few millions U.S. Citizens who absolutely won't work south of the border and inviting an equal number of million foreign nationals who do want to work to come north.
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What a great idea! Let's do a one for one swap sending our long term welfare recipients/chronically unemployed for folks who want to work. :mrgreen:
 
Fishking said:
They seem to be mixing illegal immigrant and immigrant up, or mixing the terms or using them interchangeably. That already has me wondering.
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That has been going on for a long time

Both establishment Repubs and democrats do it

It's dishonest but all is fair in politics
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, now it's millions and they're suddenly deciding to flee a war that has been going on for 70 years or more because Obama has sent his minions to attract them to the USA?



For what purpose?
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Easier pickings?

A great welfare system in germany instead of no welfare system in syria.

Almost naked german girls walking around on the streets?

No one shooting at you.

Not even the male family members of the german girls you rape

If I were a syrian I'd run away too.

But that does not mean the euros or we have to let them in our country.
 
Mac77 said:
Easier pickings?

A great welfare system in germany instead of no welfare system in syria.

Almost naked german girls walking around on the streets?

No one shooting at you.

Not even the male family members of the german girls you rape

If I were a syrian I'd run away too.

But that does not mean the euros or we have to let them in our country.
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Obama is rounding them up and sending them to Germany now?

The more posts I read on this subject, the less sense they make.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Obama is rounding them up and sending them to Germany now?

The more posts I read on this subject, the less sense they make.
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The problem of muslim refugees is not limited to the US

The euros have taken in more muslims than we have and they have bigger headaches to show for it
 
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