• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Why is immigration considered an obligation of a country?

Visbek said:
OMG NOOOOOO! MUSLIMS WILL KILL US ALL!!!!

What nonsense. It's no different than Protestants putting the hate on Catholic immigrants a few decades ago.
Click to expand...

Except for the fact that both Protestants and Catholics are Christian, and that all the Catholic immigrants who were initially unwelcome in America were European. Ethnically, religiously and culturally there was not much different between the Anglo-Protestant settlers and the later waves of European Catholic immigration. They were easily assimilated into the white majority within just one, or two at most, generations.

Men like Jefferson and Franklin feared that Europeans like the Germans - many of whom were Catholic - would try and change the character of early America, by pressing for their national languages and traditions to have equality with Anglo-Protestant culture. Those fears did not materialise because the English and Scottish majority ensured the state they founded remained how they intended it to be.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Illegal immigrant doesn't make sense. If you are not entering according to our law you do not meet the criteria or the title of immigrant. You are an alien who is in violation of our laws. You are a criminal and an alien illegally entering our country. You may want to be and immigrant and also may want to be a citizen. But you are no more an immigrant than you are a citizen until you meet the requirement of the title. I am tired of pampering people with no respect for our laws. People with no respect for our laws also have no respect for the citizens living here and should be removed from this country immediately. There are millions of good people all over the world waiting patently to immigrate to this country that respect our laws and will be an asset to this country. It is a slap in the face to these people to bypass them in order to offer citizenship to criminals who are not an asset but a cancer. A cancer that needs to be cut out and removed.
Click to expand...

To move to another country in order to live is literally immigration and makes that person... literally... an immigrant.

To do it illegally makes one an illegal immigrant. And teh term "alien" is used as a synonym.

Permanent Resident Alien - An alien admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident. Permanent residents are also commonly referred to as immigrants; however, the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) broadly defines an immigrant as any alien in the United States, except one legally admitted under specific nonimmigrant categories (INA section 101(a)(15)). An illegal alien who entered the United States without inspection, for example, would be strictly defined as an immigrant under the INA but is not a permanent resident alien. Lawful permanent residents are legally accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States. They may be issued immigrant visas by the Department of State overseas or adjusted to permanent resident status by the Department of Homeland Security in the United States.

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-sta...ons/definition-terms#permanent_resident_alien

...and citizens is one type of immigrant. One can be an immigrant and be on a permit, a visa, as a resident, as a permanent resident or as a citizen.
 
Visbek said:
Of course it does.

It's someone who moves to a new nation to live permanently, and disregards immigration laws. There are millions of people who do that right now.



News flash! The term "alien" and "immigrant" are not mutually exclusive.

Alien = A person not a citizen or national of the United States
Immigrant = a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence



If you've ever broken the speed limit, you're a criminal.

If you consumed alcohol when underage, without proper supervision, you're a criminal.

If you've ever misrepresented any line on any tax form, you're a criminal.

Somehow, the term "criminal" doesn't always carry a lot of moral weight.

Or, to put it another way: To declare that all criminals are unethical is to beg the question, when we are asking whether the law is correct in the first place.



Awwwwww.... Poor baby



Does that include those who break the speed limit, those who participate in office gambling pools, jaywalkers, people who download unauthorized files from the Internet, or don't pay sales taxes for online purchases? (Yes, that's right, if you buy something via the Internet, you are supposed to pay the sales tax; retail stores just do it for you to make it easier to collect the tax.)

Do you also think we should deport anyone who has ever smoked a joint? Obviously, they have no respect for our laws!!!



Good grief.

We already proposed a possible reform that put all those lawbreakers at the back of the line, charge them a big fee, and block violent felons from qualifying -- and it got shot down. What a surprise.

Or perhaps you supported the 2013 bill....? Have I misunderestimated you, PIPEWRENCH? :mrgreen:
Click to expand...

My stance on the situation is simple.

First we need to secure our border. Until that is done we have no immigration policy only criminals coming and going without any respect for our laws.

Second we need to punish the criminals with no respect for our laws entering illegally. Punishment should be immediate deportation from this country and put to the very back of the line of people entering this country. The second offense should be outright permanent ban from this country. We have too many millions of good people wanting to come to this country to pander to these lawless criminals.

Third people coming here temporarily to work should have to inform us where they are working and be paid at least minimum wage. they need to pay taxes for the use of our infrastructure. Circumventing our labor laws and taxes will result in loss of privilege to work in this country. Businesses that hire illegal aliens to circumvent our labor laws and taxes should be severely punished as well. We do not need lawless alien workers or the corrupt businesses that employ them.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
My stance on the situation is simple.

First we need to secure our border. Until that is done we have no immigration policy only criminals coming and going without any respect for our laws.

Second we need to punish the criminals with no respect for our laws entering illegally. Punishment should be immediate deportation from this country and put to the very back of the line of people entering this country. The second offense should be outright permanent ban from this country. We have too many millions of good people wanting to come to this country to pander to these lawless criminals.

Third people coming here temporarily to work should have to inform us where they are working and be paid at least minimum wage. they need to pay taxes for the use of our infrastructure. Circumventing our labor laws and taxes will result in loss of privilege to work in this country. Businesses that hire illegal aliens to circumvent our labor laws and taxes should be severely punished as well. We do not need lawless alien workers or the corrupt businesses that employ them.
Click to expand...

Why is it that when a post makes sense - like this one - it is most often not by a liberal.
 
The problem with "it's semantics" is that it is not just semantics. To most people - naive, uninformed, pro illegal do-gooders - "illegal immigrant" means a one-time, low-end, innocent transgression, like "illegally" crossing the border. Big deal, it's just a misdemeanor!

What the do-gooders do not want to admit is that crossing the border is just the first step of the crime wave that costs Americans dearly every single day these criminals and their families are here.

Americans, in their blind greed, like the low cost labor performed by the illegals, such as fixing things, cutting grass or getting a cheap nanny from Guatemala. That's the good part.

The bad part of "cheap" labor is that they don't want to see is the other side of the ledger: schools for their kids at 25k per year in tax money, free medical care, welfare benefits, incarceration, and on and on....

The same double-sided ledger applies to the low-skilled, low-pay legal immigrants. Still, using the grade school level reasoning, the pro immigration loons tell us how the U.S. benefits from the "productive members of society". They would be right if Santa paid the expense side of that ledger. When made aware that Santa doesn't want to pay, the loons mumble something about how virtuous it is to go financially broke to feel good.

The fact that many jobs are disappearing like snow in April due to automation - including the service jobs - to the pro immigrant loons is just scaremongering or xenophobia.
 
legalimmigrant said:
Plenty wrong.

An adjective is added to a noun to modify or describe it. Not to negate it. Example: small wheel is OK. Square wheel is not OK. Got It?

From the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS), in a section entitled "Immigration Terms and Definitions Involving Aliens":

"Immigrant [is] an alien who has been granted the right by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to reside permanently in the United States and to work without restrictions in the United States. Also known as a Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR). All immigrants are eventually issued a 'green card' (USCIS Form I-551), which is the evidence of the alien’s LPR status. LPR’s who are awaiting the issuance of their green cards may bear an I-551 stamp in their foreign passports."

Did you notice "granted"?

"Illegal immigrant" is a sick hybrid created by the pro illegal scum liberals in an attempt to elevate the illegal scum to the level of true lawful immigrants while reluctantly admitting that little difference how the scum got in here.

Do you call rape, an authorized sex act?

Do you call stabbing, an unlicensed medical procedure?

If you don't, try to justify this: illegal immigrant = illegal Lawful Permanent Resident.

A foreigner teaching Americans English is so much fun.
Click to expand...

legalimmigrant said:
The problem with "it's semantics" is that it is not just semantics.
Click to expand...

So why is your username 'legal immigrant'???

surely the 'legal' is superfluous....
 
Last edited:
Last edited:
legalimmigrant said:
The problem with "it's semantics" is that it is not just semantics. To most people - naive, uninformed, pro illegal do-gooders - "illegal immigrant" means a one-time, low-end, innocent transgression, like "illegally" crossing the border. Big deal, it's just a misdemeanor!

What the do-gooders do not want to admit is that crossing the border is just the first step of the crime wave that costs Americans dearly every single day these criminals and their families are here.

Americans, in their blind greed, like the low cost labor performed by the illegals, such as fixing things, cutting grass or getting a cheap nanny from Guatemala. That's the good part.

The bad part of "cheap" labor is that they don't want to see is the other side of the ledger: schools for their kids at 25k per year in tax money, free medical care, welfare benefits, incarceration, and on and on....

The same double-sided ledger applies to the low-skilled, low-pay legal immigrants. Still, using the grade school level reasoning, the pro immigration loons tell us how the U.S. benefits from the "productive members of society". They would be right if Santa paid the expense side of that ledger. When made aware that Santa doesn't want to pay, the loons mumble something about how virtuous it is to go financially broke to feel good.

The fact that many jobs are disappearing like snow in April due to automation - including the service jobs - to the pro immigrant loons is just scaremongering or xenophobia.
Click to expand...

I see that my last two posts destroyed you so badly that you had to run and hide... :lol: As if there was any other outcome.
 
Nilly said:
So why is your username 'legal immigrant'???

surely the 'legal' is superfluous....
Click to expand...

It was meant to distance myself from the garbage that's pouring in from the South. If I didn't append with "legal", some moron would ask me if I am legal.

If everybody used the term "illegal alien" I would not have used that user name.

OK?
 
Bodhisattva said:
I see that my last two posts destroyed you so badly that you had to run and hide... :lol: As if there was any other outcome.
Click to expand...

Your first "black" president is unable to utter "Islamic terrorists". It's "militants" or just "terrorists".

When a Muslim army officer - or whatever the sob was at the time - shots and kills his fellow soldiers, to Obongo, it's workplace violence, not an act of terror. Or, God forbid, Islamic terror. Even if the shooter says Allah every time he fires.

Consistently, he and everybody in the D.C. do not use the term "illegal immigrant" for fear of offending the scum. So, without proof, I submit that, based on their previous semantical contortions, these verbal perverts cleansed their documents to please the invading hordes and their sympathizers.
 
Last edited:
legalimmigrant said:
Consistently, he and everybody in the D.C. do not use the term "illegal immigrant" for fear of offending the scum. So, without proof, I submit that, based on their previous semantical contortions, these verbal perverts cleansed their documents to please the invading hordes and their sympathizers.
Click to expand...

He is half white.

It should be islamic terrorist.

You are switching your argument. We were arguing the meaning of the term illegal immigrant, not if liberals use it. You were and remain 100% WRONG.
 
Immigrants must like my signature so much that they are willing to kill to prove me right.

"UCLA shooting suspect Mainak Sarkar came to the United States on a foreign student visa in 2001 after graduating from a prestigious Indian technology university and was granted permanent legal status in the U.S. in 2014."

The short version: if this scum was denied entry, somebody would not be dead today.

Which proves again that all crimes by immigrants are 100% preventable.
 
From Record 94,708,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Drops in May

Record 94,708,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Drops in May

When President Obama took office in January 2009, 80,529,000 Americans were not participating in the labor force; since then, 14,179,000 Americans have left the workforce -- some of them retiring and some just quitting because they can't find work.

image002.jpg

Conclusion: We desperately need more immigrants.

BTW, this is not about Obama so spare me from "but under Bush".
 
Last edited:
We have had anchor baby tourism for a while. A pregnant woman "immigrates" to the U.S. to get free medical care and to give us a new U.S. citizen. We are so grateful.

Recently, we got all that and Zika virus when a Honduran woman "immigrated" here to seek treatment. And hundreds of thousands in medical and welfare bills. I will let you guess who is going to pay for it.

A comment from Daily Mail:

Very, very sad. But also illustrates that we have a MAJOR problem by having such a porous border. This baby, who flew her in utero, is now a US citizen. The taxpayer is on the hook for all his bills forever (Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, disability, housing, etc, etc) because he'll never be able to contribute. His mother will also cost the taxpayer a fortune. Once others like this woman see how easily it's done, there's nothing to stop them from buying a plane ticket for a similar "vacation."

----------------------------

Being so very compassionate and rich, I expect the good U.S. citizens to start Americans for Immigrants with Zika Fund.

Who is first here to donate?
 
DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing Vanloads of Illegal Aliens Away from Border. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is quietly transporting illegal immigrants from the Mexican border to Phoenix and releasing them without proper processing or issuing court appearance documents, Border Patrol sources tell Judicial Watch.

We are screwed big time.
 
legalimmigrant said:
It was meant to distance myself from the garbage that's pouring in from the South. If I didn't append with "legal", some moron would ask me if I am legal.

If everybody used the term "illegal alien" I would not have used that user name.

OK?
Click to expand...

Nobody would ask you that unless you were a Mexican working as a dish washer at some dump restaurant.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom