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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman  Well for starters we can reinforce state and local jurisdictions on the border. A wall is a good idea, albeit a prohibitively expensive one and certainly not foolproof, if it is properly manned and equipped with the right people and technology (I'll entertain this conversation, knowing it will never work out this way). It could go a long way towards improving southern border security, but there is no guarantee here. Foreign drug cartels that cross the border and commit crimes should be treated as an invading military force and dealt with appropriately...read force of arms. At multiple locations along the wall there should be check points for immigrants of visitors to access the U.S. Border patrol, military, and state department personnel should man this wall. They should have the best of the best in audio, video, and seismic surveillance equipment. They should have a formidable air component equipped for interdiction as well as search and rescue. These agencies should cooperate and interoperate with state and local jurisdictions along the border. |
Wow. I pretty much agree with you so far. The wall must be the Congress mandated Duncan Hunter double fence with a 2 lane highway running down the middle. There needs to be cameras and other sensors too. Whatever the fence costs we cannot afford not to go ahead with it. It is needed to primarily help stop the Mexican invasion but more importantly it is needed for national security.
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The border check points should be equipped with multi-modal biometric identification and all immigrants or visitors should be enrolled for positive I.D. That feds already have a database with over 600,000 identities in it from all over the world, this could very easily integrate with that database. These check points could serve as processing centers to ensure a full enrollment of any person seeking citizenship or a visa. A criminal background would be done on each immigrant prior to a work visa or green card being issued. Ideally the check points would be near towns on both sides of the border so that immigrants would have a place to stay on their side while awaiting completion of the entrance process. This wouldn't happen overnight, so we obviously wouldn't accept anybody until the process was done. However, the process would need to be streamlined for efficiency. One to two weeks tops for processing. Only so many applicants would be accepted at a time so as to ensure work flow wouldn't become backlogged.
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We need to temporarily halt guest worker programs until HS can prove that they can keep track of all of these guest workers. As of right now HS obviously can't.
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Immigrant work centers should be established in each region with satellites so that immigrant workers are required to report when they have settled and obtained work. Assimilation classes should be a part of this process, it will make many things easier on all of us. An immigrant work tax should be established and their wages should be taxed additionally to help offset the cost of the border security initiatives. If you could collect just 75 dollars a month extra from five million workers that would go along way towards sustaining operation of this kind of system. When a worker plans to leave his or her job, for whatever reason, they should report to an immigrant work center immediately. If they have found other work then it is tracked and life goes on. If not they should qualify for some type of immigrant worker unemployment program that helps them obtain work again. If they can't or won't find work, then they are given notice that their work visa is being repealed and they must return to their home nation. They should not qualify for social security. Their children should not get automatic citizenship because they are simply born here.
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No social security and no anchor babies? I love it. Again, these guest worker programs should be temporarily halted until HS can prove that they can adequately keep track of these guest workers. Also any business that knowingly employs an illegal worker should run the risk of losing their business.
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If an immigrant worker decides he or she wants to apply for citizenship then they simply do so. Mandatory citizenship classes would be provided.
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Why? These workers must go to the back of a long long line waiting OUTSIDE the country on citizenship.
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As far as illegals already in the nation, they come forward and announce their status. They are processed locally, and go through the same process as anyone else, with the obvious exception that they are already here. Only they are assessed additional fines for their criminal status. They are issued temporary work visas with a probationary status pending approval. They cannot engage in any criminal activity, if they do so they are jailed and deported. If an applicant successfully passes processing they are let in and they declare where in the U.S. they are headed for work or go where the processing center advises them to. Once there they must report to the local immigration center within 72 hours. If they don't they are flagged. If the authorities encounter them they will detain them and take them to the immigration center for further investigation and determination of their worker visa status. They could be fined and processed like normal, or they could be deported depending on the nature of their tardiness. If it is determined the parents are to be deported their children, born here or not, go with them. No exceptions.
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This is where we differ big time. These people have illegally broken into this country. Most of them have FORGED DOCUMENTS, a felony. I could agree to offering them a temporary probationary status for a definite limited time. After their time was up they must leave the country and take their families with them. If they want to apply for citizenship they DEFINITELY have to leave the country and wait OUTSIDE the country like any one else applying for citizenship. If they come forward in good faith and have no criminal record then that would go into their record and put them in good stead. If they have used forged document, however, they are screwed.
Paying fines for citizenship? That just cheapens American citizenship to me. Sounds very Democratic party, pandering for new Hispanic voters, to me.
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They should be allowed normal health care like any other citizen or visitor to this nation.
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You mean unlimited use of our hospital emergency rooms of course?
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These are just a few ideas I have discussions with my politicians about. I'm tired.
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Well, that was better than I expected. We do agree on a lot of things after all. I do believe, though, that some of what you proposed amounts to what most of us conservatives consider giving amnesty to these illegals. It's not going to happen.
Other than Hispandering to the illegal community how to you justify allowing illegals here in this country to apply for citizenship while staying in this country while millions of people are applying for citizenship the legal way and waiting OUTSIDE the country. It makes a mockery of our LEGAL immigration system.
Again, it just sounds like a Democratic party scheme for getting votes.
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