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Laredo is half in Texas, half in Tamaulipas. The border runs right through it (Laredo/Nuevo ... |
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Originally Posted by 1069 Laredo is half in Texas, half in Tamaulipas. The border runs right through it (Laredo/Nuevo Laredo).
If one doesn't want to be associated with Mexicans, perhaps one shouldn't live in a municipality that is half in Mexico. | This doesn't have anything to do with not wanting to be associated with Mexicans.
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Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways Jamesrage is commonly full of hot air, but this seems like an serious issue. Did you even read the entire post? Criminals coming in, committing crimes, and runnning back to Mexico- seems like a reason to send some National Guard units, or perhaps cut off federal aid to their country. Let's see how quickly Mexico's president decides to deal with his citizens once we actually do something about their crimes.
These robbers- one could probably consider them terrorists. If they wore bandanas with the Iranian flag instead of Mexico's, how quickly do you think Bush would notice? | Of course they didn't read the whole article,they would rather spew pro-illegal nonsense. |
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Originally Posted by jamesrage Of course they didn't read the whole article,they would rather spew pro-illegal nonsense. | Who spewed one bit of pro-illegal nonsense here? Hmmmmm james? Please...show us all.
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Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways Jamesrage is commonly full of hot air, but this seems like an serious issue. Did you even read the entire post? Criminals coming in, committing crimes, and runnning back to Mexico- seems like a reason to send some National Guard units, or perhaps cut off federal aid to their country. Let's see how quickly Mexico's president decides to deal with his citizens once we actually do something about their crimes.
These robbers- one could probably consider them terrorists. If they wore bandanas with the Iranian flag instead of Mexico's, how quickly do you think Bush would notice? | James is always full of hot air. Yes this is serious situation, and yes it definitely needs attention. This is a matter of actual border security. I have always been pro-border security. I challenge anyone to find evidence to the contrary. |
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11-11-07, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman James is always full of hot air. Yes this is serious situation, and yes it definitely needs attention. This is a matter of actual border security. I have always been pro-border security. I challenge anyone to find evidence to the contrary. | Prove it then. Come up with what needs to be done to actually SECURE the border. You can redeem yourself right now. |
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11-11-07, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rogue Prove it then. Come up with what needs to be done to actually SECURE the border. You can redeem yourself right now. | Well for starters we can reinforce state and local jurisdictions on the border. A wall is a good idea, albeit a prohibitively expensive one and certainly not foolproof, if it is properly manned and equipped with the right people and technology (I'll entertain this conversation, knowing it will never work out this way). It could go a long way towards improving southern border security, but there is no guarantee here. Foreign drug cartels that cross the border and commit crimes should be treated as an invading military force and dealt with appropriately...read force of arms. At multiple locations along the wall there should be check points for immigrants of visitors to access the U.S. Border patrol, military, and state department personnel should man this wall. They should have the best of the best in audio, video, and seismic surveillance equipment. They should have a formidable air component equipped for interdiction as well as search and rescue. These agencies should cooperate and interoperate with state and local jurisdictions along the border.
The border check points should be equipped with multi-modal biometric identification and all immigrants or visitors should be enrolled for positive I.D. That feds already have a database with over 600,000 identities in it from all over the world, this could very easily integrate with that database. These check points could serve as processing centers to ensure a full enrollment of any person seeking citizenship or a visa. A criminal background would be done on each immigrant prior to a work visa or green card being issued. Ideally the check points would be near towns on both sides of the border so that immigrants would have a place to stay on their side while awaiting completion of the entrance process. This wouldn't happen overnight, so we obviously wouldn't accept anybody until the process was done. However, the process would need to be streamlined for efficiency. One to two weeks tops for processing. Only so many applicants would be accepted at a time so as to ensure work flow wouldn't become backlogged.
Immigrant work centers should be established in each region with satellites so that immigrant workers are required to report when they have settled and obtained work. Assimilation classes should be a part of this process, it will make many things easier on all of us. An immigrant work tax should be established and their wages should be taxed additionally to help offset the cost of the border security initiatives. If you could collect just 75 dollars a month extra from five million workers that would go along way towards sustaining operation of this kind of system. When a worker plans to leave his or her job, for whatever reason, they should report to an immigrant work center immediately. If they have found other work then it is tracked and life goes on. If not they should qualify for some type of immigrant worker unemployment program that helps them obtain work again. If they can't or won't find work, then they are given notice that their work visa is being repealed and they must return to their home nation. They should not qualify for social security. Their children should not get automatic citizenship because they are simply born here.
If an immigrant worker decides he or she wants to apply for citizenship then they simply do so. Mandatory citizenship classes would be provided.
As far as illegals already in the nation, they come forward and announce their status. They are processed locally, and go through the same process as anyone else, with the obvious exception that they are already here. Only they are assessed additional fines for their criminal status. They are issued temporary work visas with a probationary status pending approval. They cannot engage in any criminal activity, if they do so they are jailed and deported. If an applicant successfully passes processing they are let in and they declare where in the U.S. they are headed for work or go where the processing center advises them to. Once there they must report to the local immigration center within 72 hours. If they don't they are flagged. If the authorities encounter them they will detain them and take them to the immigration center for further investigation and determination of their worker visa status. They could be fined and processed like normal, or they could be deported depending on the nature of their tardiness. If it is determined the parents are to be deported their children, born here or not, go with them. No exceptions.
They should be allowed normal health care like any other citizen or visitor to this nation.
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Originally Posted by 1069 No way, dude! You support this hare-brained wall idea?? | I only said it would be a good idea as a matter of national security if it were done right. But it can't be done right. It would be way too expensive. |
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Originally Posted by 1069 No way, dude! You support this hare-brained wall idea?? | Border guards and crack downs on employers can be easily removed on the whim of a politician and if done right not noticeable to the public until the problem gets out of hand,A wall however can not not be easily removed on the whim of a politician and it would be noticeable if they tried knocking the wall down. |
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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman Well for starters we can reinforce state and local jurisdictions on the border. A wall is a good idea, albeit a prohibitively expensive one and certainly not foolproof, if it is properly manned and equipped with the right people and technology (I'll entertain this conversation, knowing it will never work out this way). It could go a long way towards improving southern border security, but there is no guarantee here. Foreign drug cartels that cross the border and commit crimes should be treated as an invading military force and dealt with appropriately...read force of arms. At multiple locations along the wall there should be check points for immigrants of visitors to access the U.S. Border patrol, military, and state department personnel should man this wall. They should have the best of the best in audio, video, and seismic surveillance equipment. They should have a formidable air component equipped for interdiction as well as search and rescue. These agencies should cooperate and interoperate with state and local jurisdictions along the border.
The border check points should be equipped with multi-modal biometric identification and all immigrants or visitors should be enrolled for positive I.D. That feds already have a database with over 600,000 identities in it from all over the world, this could very easily integrate with that database. These check points could serve as processing centers to ensure a full enrollment of any person seeking citizenship or a visa. A criminal background would be done on each immigrant prior to a work visa or green card being issued. Ideally the check points would be near towns on both sides of the border so that immigrants would have a place to stay on their side while awaiting completion of the entrance process. This wouldn't happen overnight, so we obviously wouldn't accept anybody until the process was done. However, the process would need to be streamlined for efficiency. One to two weeks tops for processing. Only so many applicants would be accepted at a time so as to ensure work flow wouldn't become backlogged.
Immigrant work centers should be established in each region with satellites so that immigrant workers are required to report when they have settled and obtained work. Assimilation classes should be a part of this process, it will make many things easier on all of us. An immigrant work tax should be established and their wages should be taxed additionally to help offset the cost of the border security initiatives. If you could collect just 75 dollars a month extra from five million workers that would go along way towards sustaining operation of this kind of system. When a worker plans to leave his or her job, for whatever reason, they should report to an immigrant work center immediately. If they have found other work then it is tracked and life goes on. If not they should qualify for some type of immigrant worker unemployment program that helps them obtain work again. If they can't or won't find work, then they are given notice that their work visa is being repealed and they must return to their home nation. They should not qualify for social security. Their children should not get automatic citizenship because they are simply born here.
If an immigrant worker decides he or she wants to apply for citizenship then they simply do so. Mandatory citizenship classes would be provided.
As far as illegals already in the nation, they come forward and announce their status. They are processed locally, and go through the same process as anyone else, with the obvious exception that they are already here. Only they are assessed additional fines for their criminal status. They are issued temporary work visas with a probationary status pending approval. They cannot engage in any criminal activity, if they do so they are jailed and deported. If an applicant successfully passes processing they are let in and they declare where in the U.S. they are headed for work or go where the processing center advises them to. Once there they must report to the local immigration center within 72 hours. If they don't they are flagged. If the authorities encounter them they will detain them and take them to the immigration center for further investigation and determination of their worker visa status. They could be fined and processed like normal, or they could be deported depending on the nature of their tardiness. If it is determined the parents are to be deported their children, born here or not, go with them. No exceptions.
They should be allowed normal health care like any other citizen or visitor to this nation.
These are just a few ideas I have discussions with my politicians about. I'm tired. | Most of those a really good ideas.I still think those who are here illegal and caught should never be granted entry back into this country once deported. |
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