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How Much Would Mexico Pay to Prevent Deportation

phattonez

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Let's be honest here. The government of Mexico loves illegal immigration. They get to dump their least wanted citizens on another country, and then they get a ton of money imported into their country while people work in the US. It's a win-win. So here's my question: say a US president threatens mass deportation. Mexico would lose big time. They would lost that sweet money that was coming in from relatives, and would instead get a ton of welfare cases? What would Mexico pay to prevent that?

Would they even agree to pay to build a wall between the two countries?
 
phattonez said:
Let's be honest here. The government of Mexico loves illegal immigration. They get to dump their least wanted citizens on another country, and then they get a ton of money imported into their country while people work in the US. It's a win-win. So here's my question: say a US president threatens mass deportation. Mexico would lose big time. They would lost that sweet money that was coming in from relatives, and would instead get a ton of welfare cases? What would Mexico pay to prevent that?

Would they even agree to pay to build a wall between the two countries?
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Mexican immigration is currently at a net of zero and immigration from Mexico has been at one of the lowest levels in nearly 40 years.
 
MrT said:
Mexican immigration is currently at a net of zero and immigration from Mexico has been at one of the lowest levels in nearly 40 years.
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Therefore they wouldn't mind having 20 million welfare cases dumped on them? Your response is a non-sequitur.
 
phattonez said:
Let's be honest here. The government of Mexico loves illegal immigration. They get to dump their least wanted citizens on another country, and then they get a ton of money imported into their country while people work in the US. It's a win-win. So here's my question: say a US president threatens mass deportation. Mexico would lose big time. They would lost that sweet money that was coming in from relatives, and would instead get a ton of welfare cases? What would Mexico pay to prevent that?

Would they even agree to pay to build a wall between the two countries?
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So they are working hard in the US, sending money back to Mexico, but at the same time, they are the least wanted in Mexico, and would be lazy welfare cases when back in Mexico?


Something does not really seem to connect very, well hard working welfare cases just does fit together
 
phattonez said:
Therefore they wouldn't mind having 20 million welfare cases dumped on them? Your response is a non-sequitur.
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It's an argument that does not follow from its evidence? I am not adding your conclusion to my argument, I am just making the point that immigration from Mexico is not a major issue.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So they are working hard in the US, sending money back to Mexico, but at the same time, they are the least wanted in Mexico, and would be lazy welfare cases when back in Mexico?


Something does not really seem to connect very, well hard working welfare cases just does fit together
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Receive welfare money, wire it to Mexico. And I'm aware that many work, but to deny the fact that they use a ton of welfare is simply liberal garbage.
 
MrT said:
It's an argument that does not follow from its evidence? I am not adding your conclusion to my argument, I am just making the point that immigration from Mexico is not a major issue.
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20 million illegal immigrants is a big issue. The fact that net migration has slowed doesn't change the fact.
 
phattonez said:
20 million illegal immigrants is a big issue. The fact that net migration has slowed doesn't change the fact.
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20 million? The number, according to most estimates, is 11 million and that includes all illegal immigrants - not just Mexicans.
 
MrT said:
20 million? The number, according to most estimates, is 11 million and that includes all illegal immigrants - not just Mexicans.
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As if 11 million is a negligible number. I just throw out the larger number because no one really knows. The point is, it's massive, and no one would want to deal with that, though the US is guilted into taking them in.
 
phattonez said:
As if 11 million is a negligible number. I just throw out the larger number because no one really knows. The point is, it's massive, and no one would want to deal with that, though the US is guilted into taking them in.
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Many individuals are proposing a very reasonable and much more cost effective method of dealing with them by permitting them a path to citizenship. And then there is the fact that nearly all economists have reached the conclusion that illegal immigrants are a net positive on the U.S. economy.
 
In California, Mexican labor both legal and illegal have pushed blacks out of good jobs and whored out the wage base at the same time, pushing more people on to welfare. Mexicans are hard workers, don't complain, and do their jobs. But we can't care about that. We have citizen mouths to feed. It's a double benefit to take a person off welfare and get them working.

Then we have the issue of Hispanic racism. They are very clannish, and don't care to work with blacks. They smile at your face, but they generally really dislike "white people", as if you have something to do with their poverty.

I won't go into drugs, gangs, barrios, and the theft of services from US taxpayers hat have become a cottage industry.
 
MrT said:
Many individuals are proposing a very reasonable and much more cost effective method of dealing with them by permitting them a path to citizenship. And then there is the fact that nearly all economists have reached the conclusion that illegal immigrants are a net positive on the U.S. economy.
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With fertility rates below replacement level, we can't at the same time preserve our culture and import millions of immigrants. If you are in favor of accepting this many immigrants, then you are basically saying that you want to replace our culture. Would you say this?

And lol at "nearly all economists". That's the same garbage that Obama tried to pull.
 
MrT said:
Many individuals are proposing a very reasonable and much more cost effective method of dealing with them by permitting them a path to citizenship. And then there is the fact that nearly all economists have reached the conclusion that illegal immigrants are a net positive on the U.S. economy.
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They obviously don't respect our rule of law, they are criminals, they broke the law, and a big law not just speeding..

Why let them stay? We want this type?
 
chuckiechan said:
In California, Mexican labor both legal and illegal have pushed blacks out of good jobs and whored out the wage base at the same time, pushing more people on to welfare. Mexicans are hard workers, don't complain, and do their jobs. But we can't care about that. We have citizen mouths to feed. It's a double benefit to take a person off welfare and get them working.
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They also love welfare themselves.
Then we have the issue of Hispanic racism. They are very clannish, and don't care to work with blacks. They smile at your face, but they generally really dislike "white people", as if you have something to do with their poverty.

I won't go into drugs, gangs, barrios, and the theft of services from US taxpayers hat have become a cottage industry.
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Living in Los Angeles I see the same thing. Don't you dare step into their barrio. And you had better know Spanish if you're going to do anything with them, because they're not going to learn English. They don't assimilate because they don't need to with current immigration levels. 40% of Los Angeles is foreign born, and trust me, they're not coming from England.
 
There's not going to be a wall and Trump will not be president.
 
MrT said:
Many individuals are proposing a very reasonable and much more cost effective method of dealing with them by permitting them a path to citizenship. And then there is the fact that nearly all economists have reached the conclusion that illegal immigrants are a net positive on the U.S. economy.
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They already have a path to citizenship...it's called "legal immigration".
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So they are working hard in the US, sending money back to Mexico, but at the same time, they are the least wanted in Mexico, and would be lazy welfare cases when back in Mexico?


Something does not really seem to connect very, well hard working welfare cases just does fit together
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Handful of families own everything. Like six.

Old.school aristocracy for all intents and purposes.

Same basic resource base as the rest of the continent. Less arable land.

Gross income/wealth inequality is the reason for the whole situation.

Its the ambitious ones who get out, because there ain't much goin on at home.
 
Orly? said:
They obviously don't respect our rule of law, they are criminals, they broke the law, and a big law not just speeding..

Why let them stay? We want this type?
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We peed on it and everything!
 
phattonez said:
With fertility rates below replacement level, we can't at the same time preserve our culture and import millions of immigrants. If you are in favor of accepting this many immigrants, then you are basically saying that you want to replace our culture. Would you say this?

And lol at "nearly all economists". That's the same garbage that Obama tried to pull.
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Obama pulled that garbage because it is true.

And please don't try to create a strawman, a really weak one at that, of my argument. No, I do not want the United States culture to be replaced by the culture of another country.
 
Mycroft said:
They already have a path to citizenship...it's called "legal immigration".
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And that path is insufficient and inapplicable to some individuals. Thus the proposal for a new method of legalization.
 
MrT said:
Obama pulled that garbage because it is true.

And please don't try to create a strawman, a really weak one at that, of my argument. No, I do not want the United States culture to be replaced by the culture of another country.
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But that is what will happen. So explain the disparity.
 
Orly? said:
They obviously don't respect our rule of law, they are criminals, they broke the law, and a big law not just speeding..

Why let them stay? We want this type?
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We let them stay because they are willing to take the necessary steps to rectify the non-violent crime that they committed. And because legalizing these individuals provides additional benefits to the local and national economy.
 
MrT said:
We let them stay because they are willing to take the necessary steps to rectify the non-violent crime that they committed. And because legalizing these individuals provides additional benefits to the local and national economy.
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Provide additional benefit to the Mexican economy by sending all out money out of the country..
 
phattonez said:
But that is what will happen. So explain the disparity.
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No, it will not. Your assumption on birth rates assumes that children raised by immigrants will duplicate the cultures of their parents despite being raised in a completely different culture.
 
Orly? said:
Provide additional benefit to the Mexican economy by sending all out money out of the country..
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You can't send income, social security, medicare, and medicaid taxes out of the country.
 
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