Democrats furious over Obama administration deportations

[h=1]Democrats furious over Obama administration deportations[/h]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional Democrats confronted White House officials on Thursday over holiday-season raids seeking Central American immigrants for deportation, accusing the administration of spreading terror through immigrant communities.

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In other news, the Republicans are critical of the Obama administration for not deporting illegals.

Interesting twist on current events, isn't it?

These are the illegals he's been sheltering for his terms in office and he finally got his ass handed to him by the court (rare moment), that he has to do his job and deport these assholes. The dems want to keep delaying the process. He can no longer delay.

The catch-22 for Obama. Appease the law (and perhaps Republicans, but not likely) or appease Democrats who suggest we ignore law in this case.

The only thing that makes this interesting is the back and forth politics, while they *ALL* ignore trying to repair our obviously broken immigration system. It has become such a polarizing issue there is no room for reason, only rhetoric. Several running for office these days know that all to well.

I hear all the time folks saying our immigration system is broken. Looks to me the only thing broken about it is the enforcement. What's broken about it? Doesn't matter how many we let in, still there will be those assholes who come or stay illegally and need to be deported.

clownboy said:

These are the illegals he's been sheltering for his terms in office and he finally got his ass handed to him by the court (rare moment), that he has to do his job and deport these assholes. The dems want to keep delaying the process. He can no longer delay.

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From what I understand, they aren't deporting those illegals, they're simply deporting a certain number of new ones.

It's a political image game.

clownboy said:

I hear all the time folks saying our immigration system is broken. Looks to me the only thing broken about it is the enforcement. What's broken about it? Doesn't matter how many we let in, still there will be those assholes who come or stay illegally and need to be deported.

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It is broken. We've been allowing the illegals to come in and stay for so long that there are now so many that deporting them all would be a logistic and economic nightmare.

So, the Republicans yammer about a "border fence" that will never be built and wouldn't work anyway, the Democrats talk amnesty while deporting illegals, and both ignore the fact that the oligarchs who have so much influence don't want illegal immigration stopped.

Nothing has been done to end illegal immigration since the Eisenhower Administration. That's the problem.

clownboy said:

These are the illegals he's been sheltering for his terms in office and he finally got his ass handed to him by the court (rare moment), that he has to do his job and deport these assholes. The dems want to keep delaying the process. He can no longer delay.

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that isn't the first time that he has had this done to him by the court.
he has a ton of things over turned on him because what he is doing is simply
unconstitutional.

he cannot make law. he cannot change law but he thinks he can.
so much for a constitutional scholar people claim that he is.

couldn't be furthest from the truth.

Dittohead not! said:

It is broken. We've been allowing the illegals to come in and stay for so long that there are now so many that deporting them all would be a logistic and economic nightmare.

So, the Republicans yammer about a "border fence" that will never be built and wouldn't work anyway, the Democrats talk amnesty while deporting illegals, and both ignore the fact that the oligarchs who have so much influence don't want illegal immigration stopped.

Nothing has been done to end illegal immigration since the Eisenhower Administration. That's the problem.

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Nothing you've mentioned indicates the immigration system itself is broken. What is and has been broken is the enforcement of the law. And deporting illegals is not a logistical nightmare, it would actually be rather easy as such things go if enforcement were there and we stopped ALL giveaways and public services for illegals. Again, for the billionth time, it doesn't have to be done en masse.

clownboy said:

Nothing you've mentioned indicates the immigration system itself is broken. What is and has been broken is the enforcement of the law. And deporting illegals is not a logistical nightmare, it would actually be rather easy as such things go if enforcement were there and we stopped ALL giveaways and public services for illegals. Again, for the billionth time, it doesn't have to be done en masse.

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Forcibly deporting 11 or 20 or however many million illegals you believe are in the country would be a logistic nightmare. Of course, you're correct that if the law against hiring illegals were actually to be enforced, and if we did stop all government services to illegals, they'd simply go home, problem solved, no fences or multi billion dollar law enforcement projects required.

But, then, there's that other problem, the one that has kept the law from being enforced for the past sixty five or so years: The wealthy employers of illegals like the status quo, and have way too much influence in Washington.

Moreover, since this problem has been ignored for so long, we now have people who were brought here as small children and have grown up as Americans, people who may not even be fluent in the language of their home country. What do we do about them? What about their children who are growing up in America and may not even be aware that their grandparents came in illegally and brought their parents in when they were little children? The time this problem has been going on poses some real humanitarian issues.

clownboy said:

These are the illegals he's been sheltering for his terms in office and he finally got his ass handed to him by the court (rare moment), that he has to do his job and deport these assholes. The dems want to keep delaying the process. He can no longer delay.

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I think the court has handed Obama and his administration their asses on a number of occasions, so I don't know if I'd call it a rare occurrence.

Dittohead not! said:

Forcibly deporting 11 or 20 or however many million illegals you believe are in the country would be a logistic nightmare. Of course, you're correct that if the law against hiring illegals were actually to be enforced, and if we did stop all government services to illegals, they'd simply go home, problem solved, no fences or multi billion dollar law enforcement projects required.

But, then, there's that other problem, the one that has kept the law from being enforced for the past sixty five or so years: The wealthy employers of illegals like the status quo, and have way too much influence in Washington.

Moreover, since this problem has been ignored for so long, we now have people who were brought here as small children and have grown up as Americans, people who may not even be fluent in the language of their home country. What do we do about them? What about their children who are growing up in America and may not even be aware that their grandparents came in illegally and brought their parents in when they were little children? The time this problem has been going on poses some real humanitarian issues.

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Once again, for the billionth and one times - they don't have to be deported en masse all at once. And most of us don't really care that the "wealthy employers" are on the side of the illegals. Again, that doesn't mean our immigration system is broken. It means the enforcement of our law is being hampered by corrupt politicians.

As to that last case. For the future, and the present, stop educating illegals, stop that service. For those stuck in the situation for the present, it's the same problem all children of criminals face. They are impacted negatively by their parents' crimes. So, there is a choice for those who were born here and raised by parents who are illegals. Stay when their parents are deported, or go with them. If they are under the age of adulthood, they go with their parents and may return (alone) when they reach adulthood.

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Once again, for the billionth and one times - they don't have to be deported en masse all at once. And most of us don't really care that the "wealthy employers" are on the side of the illegals. Again, that doesn't mean our immigration system is broken. It means the enforcement of our law is being hampered by corrupt politicians.

As to that last case. For the future, and the present, stop educating illegals, stop that service. For those stuck in the situation for the present, it's the same problem all children of criminals face. They are impacted negatively by their parents' crimes. So, there is a choice for those who were born here and raised by parents who are illegals. Stay when their parents are deported, or go with them. If they are under the age of adulthood, they go with their parents and may return (alone) when they reach adulthood.

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So, you would blame someone brought across the border as a toddler and educated in our schools? You'd throw away an education that costs the taxpayers ten grand or so a year for thirteen years? That seems impractical to me, but whatever. If you're sure that all illegals and their descendants need to be punished, then denying them jobs and government services would accomplish that end.

Or, a compromise could be worked out: Anyone who came here as a small child would be granted amnesty, but the rest would find their employers sanctioned if they continued to keep them on the payroll. That would encourage the illegals to go home.

But, that's a compromise. In today's atmosphere, no compromise is possible, so we'll continue to simply look the other way while ranting about border fences and other impractical fixes to a problem that has been festering for over six decades and blaming the other party for the inaction. That's how it works in Congress these days.

Dittohead not! said:

[h=1]Democrats furious over Obama administration deportations[/h]


In other news, the Republicans are critical of the Obama administration for not deporting illegals.

Interesting twist on current events, isn't it?

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Yes those whose lips are on the testicles of illegal aliens want all illegals to stay here.Of course they are critical of Obama for not letting all illegals stay here, even the ones caught at the border and turned around that Obama started counting as illegals deport so he can fraudulently claim he has deported more illegals than Bush. Its a bogus tactic by the left like how they claimed that since he signed a bill that allows people to carry at national parks then that somehow makes him a friend of the 2nd amendment even though he wants to enact draconian gun laws and bans on certain firearms.

Dittohead not! said:

So, you would blame someone brought across the border as a toddler and educated in our schools?

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Yes.Once that person turned 18 that person is no longer an unwilling participant. He or she is here of their own free will.

You'd throw away an education that costs the taxpayers ten grand or so a year for thirteen years?

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That individual should have never gotten that education.But thanks to corrupt politicians that individual was allowed to get that education.

That seems impractical to me, but whatever. If you're sure that all illegals and their descendants need to be punished, then denying them jobs and government services would accomplish that end.

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Denying them education(I would think public education counts as a government service) also works. So does securing the border and deportations.Illegal immigration doesn't require just one solution.

Or, a compromise could be worked out: Anyone who came here as a small child would be granted amnesty,

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Nope.Because if you grant amnesty you are saying if you evade the law for this many years then you can get a break. This encourages more illegal immigration.This encourages people to falsely claim that they were brought here as little kids. This encourages people to up the bar and say what if they brought over as middle schoolers,high schoolers and etc.

but the rest would find their employers sanctioned if they continued to keep them on the payroll. That would encourage the illegals to go home.

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Employers need to be jailed and severely fined if they are caught employing illegals and did not using e-verify and other checks to make sure the people they hire are here illegally. Fines don't work. Fines don't work because because of the fact raids rarely occur and due to the difference between hiring legal and illegal labor the fines are paid off easy.

But, that's a compromise. In today's atmosphere, no compromise is possible, so we'll continue to simply look the other way while ranting about border fences and other impractical fixes to a problem that has been festering for over six decades and blaming the other party for the inaction. That's how it works in Congress these days.

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We fell for compromises. So twenty to thirty years later instead of three million illegals we now have twelve to twenty million plus illegals in this country. These people in office can not be trusted to uphold their end of the deal. Even if amnesty is not granted until our border is secured and laws enforced it is still a bad deal. Because either they will fraudulently claim the border is secured to grant the amnesty or they will stop or neuter any enforcement and security once amnesty is granted.

Besides that, under the Immigration Nationality Act of 1965 the adult immigrants are allowed to facilitate the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children. You can say we keep those brought here as kids and deport everyone else.But because of the INS act of 1965 they can bring their parents,siblings and other relatives.I know pro-amnesty people try to say that hardly happens.

i believe the only way to reduce illegals, because they all are not going to leave is to:

prohibit any illegals from receiving any kind of social aid from local state or federal government.

place very large fines on companies that hire illegals, and those that continue take away their business license.

if you cannot make a living, you are not likely to stay.

ernst barkmann said:

i believe the only way to reduce illegals, because they all are not going to leave is to:

prohibit any illegals from receiving any kind of social aid from local state or federal government.

place very large fines on companies that hire illegals, and those that continue take away their business license.

if you cannot make a living, you are not likely to stay.

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Exactly. That's all that's really needed. There is no need to build an expensive border fence.

Now, as for those who were brought here a small children and educated in our schools, are they Americans or not? It's hardly their fault that their parents brought them across the border illegally. Do you agree with Jamesrage that they should be given no special consideration?

Dittohead not! said:

Exactly. That's all that's really needed. There is no need to build an expensive border fence.

Now, as for those who were brought here a small children and educated in our schools, are they Americans or not? It's hardly their fault that their parents brought them across the border illegally. Do you agree with Jamesrage that they should be given no special consideration?

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well if i go by the law, they are not Citizens, because their parents are not and they were not born here.

if we were to allow children to stay becuase we say its not their fault then illegals would use children as a tool.

i understand the emotional side of the argument, but are we to let emotion rule instead of the law?

as for myself i cannot proclaim to be a strict constitutionalist but turn my eyes from it, i have to stay true to it.

but again my answer is to not force people to leave but to discourage them from staying and return to their own country, or follow the law to seek citizenship.

ernst barkmann said:

well if i go by the law, they are not Citizens, because their parents are not and they were not born here.

if we were to allow children to stay becuase we say its not their fault then illegals would use children as a tool.

i understand the emotional side of the argument, but are we to let emotion rule instead of the law?

as for myself i cannot proclaim to be a strict constitutionalist but turn my eyes from it, i have to stay true to it.

but again my answer is to not force people to leave but to discourage them from staying and return to their own country, or follow the law to seek citizenship.

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People who have lived here and contributed to our country should be able to go back to their home country, pass a background check, and return legally. That would solve the issue of the people who were brought here as small children.

But, they should have to go back and apply in their home country. If not, we'd have a repeat of the fiasco of the mid '80s when the flood of illegals became a deluge thanks to the amnesty law.

Dittohead not! said:

People who have lived here and contributed to our country should be able to go back to their home country, pass a background check, and return legally. That would solve the issue of the people who were brought here as small children.

But, they should have to go back and apply in their home country. If not, we'd have a repeat of the fiasco of the mid '80s when the flood of illegals became a deluge thanks to the amnesty law.

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Absolutely disagree. Come or stay here illegally and you should be forever after barred from US citizenship. You shouldn't even be able to get a visa.

Dittohead not! said:

People who have lived here and contributed to our country should be able to go back to their home country, pass a background check, and return legally. That would solve the issue of the people who were brought here as small children.

But, they should have to go back and apply in their home country. If not, we'd have a repeat of the fiasco of the mid '80s when the flood of illegals became a deluge thanks to the amnesty law.

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well because of what i think would be good laws to enact, the issue of going back to Mexico would fall on the shoulders of the illegals, if they wish to succeed in the course of being an american, they must do like all others who wish to immigrate and want to be a citizen, apply, pay the fees and wait their time.

this also would include european illegals ... last figure i have their were 25,000 illegal Irish here...but its an old figure.

one reason we are having problems with immigration also is that there is no real position on the law in its execution, because politicians are always trying to reinterpret it to justly their means

ernst barkmann said:

well because of what i think would be good laws to enact, the issue of going back to Mexico would fall on the shoulders of the illegals, if they wish to succeed in the course of being an american, they must do like all others who wish to immigrate and want to be a citizen, apply, pay the fees and wait their time.

this also would include european illegals ... last figure i have their were 25,000 illegal Irish here...but its an old figure.

one reason we are having problems with immigration also is that there is no real position on the law in its execution, because politicians are always trying to reinterpret it to justly their means

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That's the problem, and it's been going on for decades now. No one is willing to say, "Let's enforce the law", and haven't for so long that now there are millions of people living illegally in the US.

Dittohead not! said:

That's the problem, and it's been going on for decades now. No one is willing to say, "Let's enforce the law", and haven't for so long that now there are millions of people living illegally in the US.

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you got that right!

Both parties benefit from illegal immigration, and both parties have failed to do anything about it. The Republicans talk a big game but when push comes to shove, the business community enjoys profiting off of cheap labor and the business community donates to both parties.

akrunner88 said:

Both parties benefit from illegal immigration, and both parties have failed to do anything about it. The Republicans talk a big game but when push comes to shove, the business community enjoys profiting off of cheap labor and the business community donates to both parties.

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And that, in a nutshell, is why nothing has been done about illegal immigration for the past sixty plus years.

Dittohead not! said:

[h=1]Democrats furious over Obama administration deportations[/h]


In other news, the Republicans are critical of the Obama administration for not deporting illegals.

Interesting twist on current events, isn't it?

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These Democrats complain about 200,000 deportations, when there are still 20 million illegals here? 1% get deported? That's deplorably low.