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How long must a person's family live in a place to be considered from that place?

radcen said:
How long must a person's family live in a place to be considered from that place?

Example #1: Native American apologists like to say how white people are immigrants, interlopers, if you will. Yet many white people's families have been in the US for generations, centuries.

Example #2: Is a 5th generation white farmer in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe an African? If said farmer were to emigrate to the US would they be a legitimate "African-American"?

In both examples both people know nothing about, nor do they identify with their long past national heritage, in any significant way.

If my observations are correct, it also seems that most people on the liberal side of the table would defend concepts such as "birthright citizenship" that bestows (in theory) full acceptance upon people born into a new society, but will then bristle at the thought of a person whose lineage has been here for generations the same unconditional acceptance.

How long must a person's family live in a place before all the conditional labels be cast off for said person to be considered from that place?
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Not simple questions.

IMO in order to answer I'd have to ask: Did the person come to the area legally? If not, they need kicked out asap. If so are they willing to accept and live by the dominate culture's rules/laws? If not, they shouldn't be accepted until they do. If so, then they become a part of that area. Note: This doesn't mean giving up their own culture unless part of that culture involves breaking the law of the area.

Should this be applied to 200 years ago? Nope. Why? Because what happened 200 years ago happened and there's nothing that you or I can do to change it. We can only affect what happens now and if current and future generations are properly taught, what happens in the future.
 
Caine said:
That is the main reason why so many notherner's who are moving to southern states for jobs over the past decade are looked at negatively.
They fled the north, and they are trying to make their new homes just like where they came from........ so then they will have to flee here too I guess.
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You know that goes the other way around also right? Lord knows how many Californian's came to N. Idaho here and tried to change our laws to reflect where they came from...despite wanting to get away from California because of the idiotic laws there. The point being that its not just those that fled the north, its a human tendency to want to change things so that things are more comfortable or that is, what they're used to. Doesn't matter where they're from. North, South, East, or West.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You know that goes the other way around also right? Lord knows how many Californian's came to N. Idaho here and tried to change our laws to reflect where they came from...despite wanting to get away from California because of the idiotic laws there. The point being that its not just those that fled the north, its a human tendency to want to change things so that things are more comfortable or that is, what they're used to. Doesn't matter where they're from. North, South, East, or West.
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I didn't claim that it mattered, I was using a real life example that I am close to because I watched and experienced it.

Where did you get the idea that I thought the phenomenon was specific to me?
 
Caine said:
I didn't claim that it mattered, I was using a real life example that I am close to because I watched and experienced it.

Where did you get the idea that I thought the phenomenon was specific to me?
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Presentation.
 
My mother was born in Fort Wayne, Indiana and left the state when she was 3. She grew up in NC, yet told everybody she was a native of Indiana. Go figure. I think she thought that native meant, where you were born. I never looked at it that way.
 
WCH said:
Best excuse for wanting to belong.

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People who want to come to Texas and make it like it was where they came from, are not welcome.


So the answer could be a few minutes to eternity.
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I've lived in Texas for 36 years. I was born in New Hampshire. I'm not 'from' there.
 
bicycleman said:
My mother was born in Fort Wayne, Indiana and left the state when she was 3. She grew up in NC, yet told everybody she was a native of Indiana. Go figure. I think she thought that native meant, where you were born. I never looked at it that way.
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When someone asks me where I'm from I tell them "everywhere since my folks loved to move, but I was born in Oklahoma".
 
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