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Unregulated Immigration: the Libertarian Way

Unrestricted immigration leads to regime change. Its unbelievably naive and just plain stupid to even consider that open borders would be a good idea. Even if you pretend that you could exclude criminals, those with ill intent would just cross the border anyways since there couldnt be any effective means to stop them from doing it. The flood gates would be opened and the US would be overran with millions of refugees, workers, malcontents, our enemies, and exploiters. It would be complete anarchy. Whatever government that existed would end in the chaos. The military would kill millions in a effort to gain control. Yep open border is about as stupid as one could get, certainly a Homer Simpson move.

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FreedomFromAll said:
Unrestricted immigration leads to regime change. Its unbelievably naive and just plain stupid to even consider that open borders would be a good idea. Even if you pretend that you could exclude criminals, those with ill intent would just cross the border anyways since there couldnt be any effective means to stop them from doing it. The flood gates would be opened and the US would be overran with millions of refugees, workers, malcontents, our enemies, and exploiters. It would be complete anarchy. Whatever government that existed would end in the chaos. The military would kill millions in a effort to gain control. Yep open border is about as stupid as one could get, certainly a Homer Simpson move.

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It is unbelievably stupid and naive to think that closed borders restrict criminals.
 
Guy Incognito said:
It is unbelievably stupid and naive to think that closed borders restrict criminals.
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Of course perfection is impossible (outside of some crazy no mans land zone). But a little security is better than nothing. Open borders would let all of the criminals in unchecked.

Of course you dont really mean open borders do you? You would still check the thousands upon thousands of immigrates to see if they have criminal records. Of course if people just decide not to be checked it would be just as impossible to stop them from seeking a different than it is now. Making it unbelievably stupid and naive to think that semi open borders restrict criminals.
 
Guy Incognito said:
This is just fear mongering nonsense, and utterly disingenuous, to attempt to equate the millions upon millions of hard working undocumented immigrants with terrorists. It's completely unrelated to the question of whether we should allow unrestricted immigration and open access to citizenship for all. Terrorists should be dealt with as criminals, that has nothing to do with immigration policy.
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You dont think terrorists would sneak over the border from Mexico to infiltrate the US?
 
jonny5 said:
You dont think terrorists would sneak over the border from Mexico to infiltrate the US?
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If the US had open borders, terrorists wouldn't need to sneak in, they could freely enter and exit the country at will. And it's a disgrace that this isn't the way it is.
 
foadi said:
If the US had open borders, terrorists wouldn't need to sneak in, they could freely enter and exit the country at will. And it's a disgrace that this isn't the way it is.
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Is or isnt? I cant imagine allowing enemies freedom to come and go would be a desirable thing. Libertarians dont exactly have doors without locks.
 
jonny5 said:
Is or isnt? I cant imagine allowing enemies freedom to come and go would be a desirable thing. Libertarians dont exactly have doors without locks.
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Is. Free movement of goods, services, capital, and people. No exceptions.
 
foadi said:
Is. Free movement of goods, services, capital, and people. No exceptions.
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So, your position is that libertarians don't believe in private property and ownership? Do libertarians believe in the rights of the private property owner to restrict access?
 
jonny5 said:
You dont think terrorists would sneak over the border from Mexico to infiltrate the US?
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This is irrelevant to the discussion. The behavior of criminals does not bear on a discussion of immigration. Criminals should be dealt with according to the nature of the crime.

Only a fool thinks an immigrant terrorist is somehow worse than a domestic terrorist.
 
Guy Incognito said:
This is irrelevant to the discussion. The behavior of criminals does not bear on a discussion of immigration. Criminals should be dealt with according to the nature of the crime.

Only a fool thinks an immigrant terrorist is somehow worse than a domestic terrorist.
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Only a fool would allow open borders knowing that foreign terrorists would ust walk in and kill us...
 
foadi said:
If the US had open borders, terrorists wouldn't need to sneak in, they could freely enter and exit the country at will. And it's a disgrace that this isn't the way it is.
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It is a disgrace that terrorists can't just walk int othe United States to kill Americans? :lol:

The stupid in some is amazing... LOL
 
Guy Incognito said:
It is clear that opposition to free immigration is both irrational and contrary to libertarian moral philosophy. Freedom of movement is a cornerstone of libertarian thought. No restrictions should be placed on immigration as a moral matter; where people choose to live is not the government's business.

And, like most libertarian positions, unrestricted immigration is the most sensible and economically efficient policy. Welcoming all immigrants, documented or not, is simply good and healthy for the economy. The people who immigrate are generally young, intelligent, and enterprising. An open immigration policy is like a reverse brain drain. We are getting the best of the best from other countries and using them in our economy. So this fear of immigration is irrational. What we should be afraid of is the day when new immigrants don't want to come here anymore.
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you sir are a liberal socialist ,we have immigration laws and we need to enforce them,until congress changes them,libertarian my ass.


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but if we have open borders, it will allow drug dealers and gang members to move between the 2 without hinderance. We do need to make the immigration process much easier but we also need tighter border control to stop the illegal immigrants
 
Bodhisattva said:
Only a fool would allow open borders knowing that foreign terrorists would ust walk in and kill us...
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"Brains! Brains!!"

Stalks around DP in confusion... "Brains! Brains??"


Wanders off forlornly into the night.... "Brains? Brains??"
 
Goshin said:
Necromantic thread rises from the grave....

"Brains! Brains!!"

Stalks around DP in confusion... "Brains! Brains??"


Wanders off forlornly into the night.... "Brains? Brains??"
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Open borders...
 
Open borders and unregulated migration is an absub idea

But fortunately not very many people subscribe to it

We Need to close the border to illegal migration and to smuggling of drugs and slavery

That means a wall/fence/electric darrior backed up by the Border Patrol and the US military as needed

Which I suppose many libertarians and liberal democrats stridently oppose that also

As does the elite establishment that wants to force open immigration on the public

but the pushback from ordinary citizens is very strong
 
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