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    The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

    There are soldiers and marines that have served the United States even though they were not born in the country. Some of them entered the US by crossing the border illegally, but after being promised citizenship in exchange for their service, they enlisted. Some of them have risked their lives on the front lines in wars like Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan. Today they find themselves deported to Mexico after having committed a crime, like cashing checks without funds, shooting a firearm or driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Many suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder after having served the United States on the ground and have, since their deportation, lost the right to receive medical attention.

    We went to Tijuana to meet a group of veterans who have been expelled by the U.S. Government. Héctor Barajas, a former paratrooper for the U.S. Army, has seen with his own eyes just how difficult life is for the veterans who have been expelled from their country. After living in Tijuana's El Bordo river canal, he decided to leave his addictions behind and start a shelter for deported veterans. The Bunker, as the site is known, has the capacity to host up to 5 veterans who have been deported to Tijuana.

    Hector and another 20 veterans are in Mexico fighting for the U.S. to acknowledge their service, grant them the citizenship that was promised to them when they decided to serve in the Armed Forces and allow them to return to what they consider to be their country. Every month they station themselves at the San Ysidro international border, to expose both Mexicans and Americans to their story.

    They are just some of the 2 million Mexicans who have been deported under the Obama Administration.


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    Re: The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    This is horrible, but not unexpected. USA is not a trustworthy country, hasn't been under any political party regarding enlistment promotions/promises, veterans, combat readiness, post-combat medical/mental health availability. That said, any illegal immigrant that joins another country's war under the promise of citizenship is pretty stupid, imo.
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    Re: The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    This is horrible, but not unexpected. USA is not a trustworthy country, hasn't been under any political party regarding enlistment promotions/promises, veterans, combat readiness, post-combat medical/mental health availability. That said, any illegal immigrant that joins another country's war under the promise of citizenship is pretty stupid, imo.
    I just think if you join the military under all those promises they give you and then say "well **** you, you were part of the machine, your were a cog now GTFO" is just absolutely terrible.
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    Re: The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    One thing people joining the military should understand is if it is not in your enlistment contract then what ever they claim is worthless. If the recruiter promises you ranger school or some other military school, money bonus, a duty station,MOS or anything else then it better be in your enlistment contract. A recruiter's promise doesn't mean anything if it is not in your contract.
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    Re: The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    There's gotta be more to this story. I know for a fact, that every non-citizen that served with me, was granted citizenship upon honorable completion of their first enlistment. Many re-enlisted as full citizens after that.

    I find it hard to believe that there's not some reason for this, like not getting an honorable discharge, or getting an Article 15 or worse while serving. Any of those can make them ineligible for citizenship, as it should.

    I also have a hard time jumping straight and first to the conclusion that the US is at fault here. Before I would believe that, I would need to see their service records. A simple glimpse at their DD-214 would probably tell us why this happened.

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    Re: The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I just think if you join the military under all those promises they give you and then say "well **** you, you were part of the machine, your were a cog now GTFO" is just absolutely terrible.
    Since they committed crimes, I don't think your brief is at all fair. However even our legal citizen soldiers are being shat upon by the government, with promises made and not kept, and have been since at least Vietnam. Not a pretty picture at all, but I don't see it as being somehow more unfair to these folks than any other. So some vets are still citizens, because they were always legal, they're still homeless, chronically unemployed (perhaps unemployable), losing family and friends, not getting medical care, mental care, college payment promises broken, ... seems over the years the government's grade regarding vets and serving soldiers is worst than piss poor.
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    Re: The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Since they committed crimes, I don't think your brief is at all fair.
    In my opinion it does not matter. They paid a huge sacrifice by choosing to serve in the military.

    However even our legal citizen soldiers are being shat upon by the government, with promises made and not kept, and have been since at least Vietnam. Not a pretty picture at all, but I don't see it as being somehow more unfair to these folks than any other.
    I agree but to a point. These people served in the military fought for the country, then the country they served said "oh, nope, thanks for serving US, thanks for fighting for the USA, go away now"

    So some vets are still citizens, because they were always legal, they're still homeless, chronically unemployed (perhaps unemployable), losing family and friends, not getting medical care, mental care, college payment promises broken, ... seems over the years the government's grade regarding vets and serving soldiers is worst than piss poor.
    And i agree we have a huge vet problem and I think we need a overhall of the system.
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    Re: The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

    They're Brown.

    If they were white immigrants the story would be entirely different.

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    Re: The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    They're Brown.

    If they were white immigrants the story would be entirely different.

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    A link please to prove such a comment. I suspect it might be true, but are there white, illegal immigrants that have served, committed crimes and then NOT been deported? I wonder how you'd find out such a thing if one wanted facts. I can't find anything online with the search terms that came to my mind.
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    Re: The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In my opinion it does not matter. They paid a huge sacrifice by choosing to serve in the military.


    I agree but to a point. These people served in the military fought for the country, then the country they served said "oh, nope, thanks for serving US, thanks for fighting for the USA, go away now"



    And i agree we have a huge vet problem and I think we need a overhall of the system.
    Apparently part of the agreement is that they can't commit crimes, so I don't see why you keep implying that they lived up to their part of the agreement.
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