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The Cost Of Serving Your Country: Deported Veterans of America

TheDemSocialist said:
So what if they commit crimes? Why should someone be deported after serving that country be deported because they committed a crime? Especially petty crimes?
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Uhm, why should people who join the military having been promised certain locations or jobs/training and then get sent to the front lines? Life isn't fair. Regardless, if that was part of their agreement, then it was, and though the principle may be unfair like much of life for many people, it's not like they weren't aware and it's coming from nowhere.
 
Buddha C said:
The simple fact of the matter is this:

Whites have raped and pillaged their way to relative opulence (read: relative difference between Ireland/Greece to Guatemala or Burkina Faso) so that they have less advantage to immigrate in the *current* atmosphere.

Further the US immigration doctrine gives preference to high skilled labour (read: labour that is either a brain drain from 3rd world countries or is relatively highy prevalent in White countries that have raped both peoples, properties and environment) while also setting a static quota on immigration from country (I believe it's 1-10k a year?)

Now, let's look at neighboring nations:

Canada. If I have to explain that to you... well, I suggest you do some reading.

Mexico. See above.

Everything below Mexico until Brazil and Argentina. See above.

So you have a restrictive quota that applies to countries across the globe same as it applies to bordering countries.

Then you have exemptions for higher skilled labour that tend to come from countries that have overall extremely higher levels of development than countries that are immigrating.

I mean, think about it. If I'm a doctor in Ireland or Greece, what real gain do I have to make, besides getting rid of my close relatives, by moving to America?

Now if I'm some piss-poor farmer who can't feed his family in Mexico/El Salvador/Rwanda I have a real economic benefit by moving, even after I pay taxes and living expenses and saving to bring more of my family over while also being able to provide for the people back in my homeland.

I cannot provide evidence outside the bounds of common sense, and for that I am sorry that the entire breath of Research on the subject has such a dearth on an issue so very important.

But I don't think it takes much inference to put two and two together.
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Most of what you say is true, but seems more related to LEGAL immigrants of white skin, not illegal immigrants of white skin. Granted the quotas, et al are entirely unfairly biased against non-whites, but that does not make an apples to apples comment like the one you made above legitimate in any way.
 
Summerwind said:
Uhm, why should people who join the military having been promised certain locations or jobs/training and then get sent to the front lines? Life isn't fair. Regardless, if that was part of their agreement, then it was, and though the principle may be unfair like much of life for many people, it's not like they weren't aware and it's coming from nowhere.
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Why should they be promised the front lines? Why would the be denied citizenship after doing that and after servigin? Why should they be denied payment after doing that? That is what the video presented.
 
Summerwind said:
Most of what you say is true, but seems more related to LEGAL immigrants of white skin, not illegal immigrants of white skin. Granted the quotas, et al are entirely unfairly biased against non-whites, but that does not make an apples to apples comment like the one you made above legitimate in any way.
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What I'm saying is that there's very, very few illegal immigrants of White Skin because of Geopolitics (i.e. the relative level of developments in white dominated racially countries) because the non-skilled ones don't come in volume to meet the quota restrictions AND they have greater transportation costs than bordering countries. Also, the US is more than willing to make quota concessions to the White countries because they tend to have higher skills and are thus precluded from the quota restrictions.

What comment did I make compares Apples and Oranges?

What I'm saying is that Red Apples (white people) and Green Apples (non-white peoples) are treated as Apples and Oranges, respectively, by the US immigration policies.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Why should they be promised the front lines? Why would the be denied citizenship after doing that and after servigin? Why should they be denied payment after doing that? That is what the video presented.
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There are so many why's about USA at the moment, and clearly the answers generally lie in the fact that our legislators like to install rules that allow them to appear to be hard-asses in order to get the white male macho vote. Things like demanding that welfare, EBT, and other social service users get drug tested. We can't let anything but the finest of people come to live in the USA, donchaknow, or receive handouts (tax breaks for the rich vs. "entitlements" for the rest of us). Truly if you're a history and polysci grad, can you really be so unable to grasp the realities of the situation.

The simple answer is that they broke their contracted agreement for citizenship, the true answer is because the USA isn't a nice country and has really screwed up priorities driven mainly by old white men with lots of money.
 
Summerwind said:
There are so many why's about USA at the moment, and clearly the answers generally lie in the fact that our legislators like to install rules that allow them to appear to be hard-asses in order to get the white male macho vote. Things like demanding that welfare, EBT, and other social service users get drug tested. We can't let anything but the finest of people come to live in the USA, donchaknow, or receive handouts (tax breaks for the rich vs. "entitlements" for the rest of us). Truly if you're a history and polysci grad, can you really be so unable to grasp the realities of the situation.

The simple answer is that they broke their contracted agreement for citizenship, the true answer is because the USA isn't a nice country and has really screwed up priorities driven mainly by old white men with lots of money.
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I would really like to get you 2 cents on this thread I started:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/198484-private-industrial-complex-myth-connivance.html
 
Buddha C said:
What I'm saying is that there's very, very few illegal immigrants of White Skin because of Geopolitics (i.e. the relative level of developments in white dominated racially countries) because the non-skilled ones don't come in volume to meet the quota restrictions AND they have greater transportation costs than bordering countries. Also, the US is more than willing to make quota concessions to the White countries because they tend to have higher skills and are thus precluded from the quota restrictions.

What comment did I make compares Apples and Oranges?

What I'm saying is that Red Apples (white people) and Green Apples (non-white peoples) are treated as Apples and Oranges, respectively, by the US immigration policies.
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Right here http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...deported-veterans-america.html#post1063485958 you seem to be making a snide remark that only works if making an apples to apples comparison, except as I pointed out, the comparison can't be valid if comparing legal to illegal immigrants.
 
Summerwind said:
There are so many why's about USA at the moment, and clearly the answers generally lie in the fact that our legislators like to install rules that allow them to appear to be hard-asses in order to get the white male macho vote. Things like demanding that welfare, EBT, and other social service users get drug tested. We can't let anything but the finest of people come to live in the USA, donchaknow, or receive handouts (tax breaks for the rich vs. "entitlements" for the rest of us). Truly if you're a history and polysci grad, can you really be so unable to grasp the realities of the situation.
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No i do realize the situation. But why should after these military volunteers are took right into the military, then afterwards once they do their service do petty crimes and because of these petty crimes are deported. I find this excuse pathetic. They served for this country for our wars and afterwards after doing petty crimes are sent to their home country after fighting and serving for our country..

The simple answer is that they broke their contracted agreement for citizenship, the true answer is because the USA isn't a nice country and has really screwed up priorities driven mainly by old white men with lots of money.
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I think our contract needs to be reformed then.
 
Summerwind said:
Right here http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...deported-veterans-america.html#post1063485958 you seem to be making a snide remark that only works if making an apples to apples comparison, except as I pointed out, the comparison can't be valid if comparing legal to illegal immigrants.
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What I was saying is that it would be more politically feasibly to institute Immigration Reform if the migrants were white because the US *Republic* is de facto Racist.

Because, as you pointed out, it's in the main run by rich fat white geratric people.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No i do realize the situation. But why should after these military volunteers are took right into the military, then afterwards once they do their service do petty crimes and because of these petty crimes are deported. I find this excuse pathetic. They served for this country for our wars and afterwards after doing petty crimes are sent to their home country after fighting and serving for our country..



I think our contract needs to be reformed then.
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You keep saying "after they do their service," my understanding is that they are naturalized pretty quickly up completing their service, so I'm not sure if the impression you're putting forth is at all accurate. It would seem to me that these crimes must've been during their service, perhaps while they were still in reserves or something? It's not clear from what I'm seeing or reading currently. For it to be well after their service, one would expect to be reading that their citizenship was revoked, not denied which is what "deported" means to me, that they never acquired citizenship. Perhaps, I'm wrong on that.
 
Summerwind said:
You keep saying "after they do their service," my understanding is that they are naturalized pretty quickly up completing their service, so I'm not sure if the impression you're putting forth is at all accurate. It would seem to me that these crimes must've been during their service, perhaps while they were still in reserves or something? It's not clear from what I'm seeing or reading currently. For it to be well after their service, one would expect to be reading that their citizenship was revoked, not denied which is what "deported" means to me, that they never acquired citizenship. Perhaps, I'm wrong on that.
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The examples given in the video were all about individuals after their service.
 
Buddha C said:
What I was saying is that it would be more politically feasibly to institute Immigration Reform if the migrants were white because the US *Republic* is de facto Racist.

Because, as you pointed out, it's in the main run by rich fat white geratric people.
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May I recommend then, for the sake of meaning what you say, that you simply start with this post and skip the other one. This one is sensible. The other had good snide, I'll grant you that, but you missed the mark in your brevity.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The examples given in the video were all about individuals after their service.
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Then why weren't they already citizens? How long after their service to they have to wait? Or is it that their citizenship was revoked? Now that I'd be pissed about. Once they have it, a crime should be treated as any other citizen having committed a crime. As I said, though, it seems being deported implies having not received citizenship for some reason, and then were found and deported, perhaps after having served their time in jail??????
 
Summerwind said:
May I recommend then, for the sake of meaning what you say, that you simply start with this post and skip the other one. This one is sensible. The other had good snide, I'll grant you that, but you missed the mark in your brevity.
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Well, the proclivity I've come across is this:

I write an earthy post with several links and I get quote mined to the point where it completely ignores what I was trying to say. I mean, it's really tiring to spend an hour or two on a post gathering my thoughts, re-reading for my dyslexic mis-spellings and weak grammer and terminology, and finding adequate links only to be quoted on a line or two and being confronted by a non-perspicious (sp?) one - or - two liner.

It's literally infuriating and has led me to getting thread banned and infracted (mostly by conservative badmins) so I tend to shy away from breath for quippy succintness.
 
Buddha C said:
Well, the proclivity I've come across is this:

I write an earthy post with several links and I get quote mined to the point where it completely ignores what I was trying to say. I mean, it's really tiring to spend an hour or two on a post gathering my thoughts, re-reading for my dyslexic mis-spellings and weak grammer and terminology, and finding adequate links only to be quoted on a line or two and being confronted by a non-perspicious (sp?) one - or - two liner.

It's literally infuriating and has led me to getting thread banned and infracted (mostly by conservative badmins) so I tend to shy away from breath for quippy succintness.
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I get that, I even resemble that, however the one I recommended wasn't particularly as you attempt to describe here. It was short and better thought out, and could in fact have used a little more snide if you had wanted. The other made it look like you're not so smart, but full of snide.
 

It's legally known as fraudulent enlistment. A criminal offense.

Interesting that the first U.S. Marine from California killed in Iraq in 2003 was an illegal alien who fraudulently enlisted in the Marine Corps who was going to receive an administrative discharged from the Corps and turned over to ICE as soon as he returned to the CONUS. But he was killed by a M-16 by his own Marines in his unit. **** like that happens.

The second U.S. Marine who was killed in Iraq in 2003 from L.A. County was an anchor baby. If it were the 1940's his parents would have been tarred and feathered and escorted to the border. So would have L.A.Co. Supervisor Gloria Molina.
 
Summerwind said:
I get that, I even resemble that, however the one I recommended wasn't particularly as you attempt to describe here. It was short and better thought out, and could in fact have used a little more snide if you had wanted. The other made it look like you're not so smart, but full of snide.
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Well, that's what I call "testing the waters". If I come across an articulate assault, I now know one is invested and more willing to confront the *entire* issue.

Anyways, I hope you check out and possibly respond to the debatepolitics thread I posted :)
 
APACHERAT said:
It's legally known as fraudulent enlistment. A criminal offense.

Interesting that the first U.S. Marine from California killed in Iraq in 2003 was an illegal alien who fraudulently enlisted in the Marine Corps who was going to receive an administrative discharged from the Corps and turned over to ICE as soon as he returned to the CONUS. But he was killed by a M-16 by his own Marines in his unit. **** like that happens.

The second U.S. Marine who was killed in Iraq in 2003 from L.A. County was an anchor baby. If it were the 1940's his parents would have been tarred and feathered and escorted to the border. So would have L.A.Co. Supervisor Gloria Molina.
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And that's exactly why America needs a revolution.
 
APACHERAT said:
It's legally known as fraudulent enlistment. A criminal offense.

Interesting that the first U.S. Marine from California killed in Iraq in 2003 was an illegal alien who fraudulently enlisted in the Marine Corps who was going to receive an administrative discharged from the Corps and turned over to ICE as soon as he returned to the CONUS. But he was killed by a M-16 by his own Marines in his unit. **** like that happens.

The second U.S. Marine who was killed in Iraq in 2003 from L.A. County was an anchor baby. If it were the 1940's his parents would have been tarred and feathered and escorted to the border. So would have L.A.Co. Supervisor Gloria Molina.
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Sooo???



Summerwind said:
Then why weren't they already citizens? How long after their service to they have to wait? Or is it that their citizenship was revoked? Now that I'd be pissed about. Once they have it, a crime should be treated as any other citizen having committed a crime. As I said, though, it seems being deported implies having not received citizenship for some reason, and then were found and deported, p haps after having served their time in jail??????
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Several of the examples was this proideed in the video
 
Buddha C said:
And that's exactly why America needs a revolution.
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Obama is already following in Joesph Stalin's foot steps by politicizing the U.S. military by purging America's military "Officers Corps" and changing the purpose and character of the U.S. military.

Guess what Buddha C, there's a small percentage of the uninformed and misinformed who put an incompetent community organizer in the White House who are seeing no results.
 
APACHERAT said:
Obama is already following in Joesph Stalin's foot steps by politicizing the U.S. military by purging America's military "Officers Corps" and changing the purpose and character of the U.S. military.

Guess what Buddha C, there's a small percentage of the uninformed and misinformed who put an incompetent community organizer in the White House who are seeing no results.
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You mean the Blacks?

I agree.

People are Stupid.

They don't understand that most elections are decided by 5% "independent" voters, or as in the 2008/2012 elections people that voted that never or extremely rarely voted (read: mainly Puetro Ricans and Blacks) because the main 38%-35% on each side, Demo or Repa have blocs of voters who will generally vote for them so long as they adhere to the tenets of the party. Thus, only the small sliver of the middle ground counts. Thus when Blacks and other minorities who tend not to vote come out to vote in record numbers, even when it comes down to just 1% extra, provides a real differential boost of 20% of the "indepedent" or "undecided" vote that, ironically, tend to decide elections.

That's why, until Cantor was ousted, that most or all political campaigns are decided by the amount of contributions for Advertisement. Because you can solidy your base supporters while not alienating, and hopefully cajoling undecided/indepedent voters.

People are uninformed and Stupid.

That's for God Damn sure.

Not that I disagree with Opening the Borders and the Necessary 2008 Bailouts, but most of Obama's policies, like ACA (which was, to be fair, forced upon him... I suppose. I love Nationalized/Universal Healthcare as it has the best *average/National* outcomes) can eat my ****.
 
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Buddha C said:
You mean the Blacks?

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I have heard that the radical left in America live in a black and white world.

To disprove this observation, please show witch post above introduced blacks into the discussion besides your's.
 
APACHERAT said:
I have heard that the radical left in America live in a black and white world.

To disprove this observation, please show witch post above introduced blacks into the discussion besides your's.
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APACHERAT said:
Obama is already following in Joesph Stalin's foot steps by politicizing the U.S. military by purging America's military "Officers Corps" and changing the purpose and character of the U.S. military.

Guess what Buddha C, there's a small percentage of the uninformed and misinformed who put an incompetent community organizer in the White House who are seeing no results.
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There you go.

To be fair, I'm lumping most minorities in with the Blacks.

But since you went the path of quote mining you conviently ignored that. Conservatives guna act like Conservatives :roll:

Next time do the base courtesy of ****ing quoting everything I ****ing write.
 
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APACHERAT said:
I have heard that the radical left in America live in a black and white world.

To disprove this observation, please show witch post above introduced blacks into the discussion besides your's.
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And this is exactly what I'm talking about, Summerwind, about quote mining.
 
Today they find themselves deported to Mexico after having committed a crime, like cashing checks without funds, shooting a firearm or driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
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I don't think cashing a check without funds is a crime unless it's happening all the time to the point where someone suspects fraud. At that point it's a very serious issue.
 
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