Thread: Obama still wants to pass amnesty.

Originally Posted by Kal'Stang

Which as your own quote shows you includes illegal aliens. So considering that they are using ALL immigrants, both legal and illegal, that just shows that illegal aliens are doing even less of the jobs that "American's won't do" than just what the report shows.

The study also reflects higher educated immigrants including doctors, scientists etc...

Responding to your previous post...
Legal immigrants sometimes live in mixed environments which chills children from going to school and people from going to work. People of foreign descent are also going to be "profiled" and experience more hassles from authorities with a crackdown and the negative public perceptions, who wants more hassles?

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

Same old bull****... every time a Mexican comes across to hammer some nails into a roof they're robbing the damned house. Or wait... in the 10 thousandth immigration thread this analogy to violent crime happens to be different. Oh wait, no its not... walking across the border and hammering nails into some Americans roof and knocking up the girlfriend that came with you and cleans dishes down the street is somehow like robbing a bank, nay it is in fact a eugenic plot to undermine America.

Do you know what a metaphor is?

Illegals coming into the country is akin to breaking into someones house in that both are uninvited and both are illegal.

Robbing a bank in reference to "increasing standard of living". It is used because illegals do take jobs that could instead go to legal residents, which in essence takes money out of legal residents pockets.

Seriously, attempting to say that those metaphors say that illegals actually do rob banks and break into homes is rediculous.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

SORRY, find me a north American group willing to calculate the benefit of the labor of illegals to the United States. Oh wait, they don't, cause nobody thinks of that, and nobody has thought of it for about 200 years.

The Seattle Times isn't based in North America? Damn...and here I thought that Washington State was a part of North America.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

Americans can't afford to seal their own borders

Don't need to seal the borders. Just make life for illegal aliens so uncomfortable that they will go back home of their own accord.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

The alternatives to Amnesty are a police state or neglecting the situation.

Hardly. Alabama is anything but a police state and are certainly not neglecting the situation. If they can do it then certainly all other states could. And the US Federal Government DEFINITELY could.

Originally Posted by taxigirl

The study also reflects higher educated immigrants including doctors, scientists etc...

So? The point of it was to show that Americans WILL do the jobs that they supposedly "won't do". A common theme from the pro-illegal side.

Originally Posted by taxigirl

Responding to your previous post...
Legal immigrants sometimes live in mixed environments which chills children from going to school and people from going to work. People of foreign descent are also going to be "profiled" and experience more hassles from authorities with a crackdown and the negative public perceptions, who wants more hassles?

If they're going to be hassled in one area they are going to be hassled in another area. Just ask gays.

Originally Posted by Kal'Stang

Do you know what a metaphor is?

Illegals coming into the country is akin to breaking into someones house in that both are uninvited and both are illegal.

Since when has entering a country to supply a demand for labor akin to breaking and entering an individuals house?

Robbing a bank in reference to "increasing standard of living". It is used because illegals do take jobs that could instead go to legal residents, which in essence takes money out of legal residents pockets.

The local residents would end up sunburnt and exhausted after 3 hours of doing an immigrant laborers average job.

Seriously, attempting to say that those metaphors say that illegals actually do rob banks and break into homes is rediculous.

Quit fooling around. They are criminal at similar rates to US citizens.

The Seattle Times isn't based in North America? Damn...and here I thought that Washington State was a part of North America.

Wait... so stitching together a bunch of projected models of the potential minimal rises in prices of certain products, and potential gains to employment for a handful of business sectors that have been tossed together by a newspaper article written for curiosity counts to you as a measure of the benefit of exploited immigrant labor to the united states over two centuries. I don't think it cuts it, sorry. Build the south without slaves, try again.

Don't need to seal the borders. Just make life for illegal aliens so uncomfortable that they will go back home of their own accord.

And how do you imagine to do that... I would appreciate your most creative response.

Hardly. Alabama is anything but a police state and are certainly not neglecting the situation. If they can do it then certainly all other states could. And the US Federal Government DEFINITELY could.

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I don't know how it's going.. meng.. dey all be like.. check tha jeans, welfare don't buy that.

Originally Posted by Kal'Stang

So? The point of it was to show that Americans WILL do the jobs that they supposedly "won't do". A common theme from the pro-illegal side.

If they're going to be hassled in one area they are going to be hassled in another area. Just ask gays.

It was a study about immigrants in general not illegal immigrants.

How many times have you heard about someone you know out of work? Did they go to Walmart for work? Did they go to McDonald's? Did they try the cab company? Did they try local butcher? Did they try cleaning up road kill? Did they go to that farm for seasonal work? Granted-- walmart and McDonald's are not generally the jobs we are talking about, but my point here is that people are not willing to do the work they need to. People are told stupid things like "What not to do when you first get fired"--Don't take "any" job, etc...

My opinion-- Yes! take that job if you need it! If you need to work to pay your mortgage / rent etc.. do it. I have worked at some really crappy jobs out of necessity -- literally crappy, I shoveled doggie doo for sixth months once at a vet school. I have seen people who won't "do what it takes" some work is beneath them, I am not saying the same is true for everyone, but if you're not willing to shovel dog crap, you're not willing to work.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

I'm sorry, something tells me illegals are more driven by economic concern than the selfish evil greedy desire to become Americans.

Like hey 'I'm going to America because I'm a bad man that wants to cheat a country for all it's got.'
They strike me as folks wanting to improve their standard of living.

Then the should come in through proper channels.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

Nobody has actually bothered to calculate the value of illegal immigrant labor, considering they've been a massive labor force since the US reached down into concerned areas.

This is not true. Even NPR has done shows and articles on the economic impact of illegal aliens. I am not going to do the research for you, but here is a start.
Q&A: Illegal Immigrants and the U.S. Economy : NPR

"Illegal immigration has both negative and positive impacts on different parts of the economy. As noted above, wages for low-skilled workers go down. But that means the rest of America benefits by paying lower prices for things like restaurant meals, agricultural produce and construction. Another negative impact is on government expenditures. Since undocumented workers generally don't pay income taxes but do use schools and other government services, they are seen as a drain on government spending.


There are places in the United States where illegal immigration has big effects (both positive and negative). But economists generally believe that when averaged over the whole economy, the effect is a small net positive. Harvard's George Borjas says the average American's wealth is increased by less than 1 percent because of illegal immigration.


The economic impact of illegal immigration is far smaller than other trends in the economy, such as the increasing use of automation in manufacturing or the growth in global trade. Those two factors have a much bigger impact on wages, prices and the health of the U.S. economy.
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Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

Calling everyone who can't afford to come into the US legally a rapist murderer thief and leech on society doesn't get anywhere with me... or reasonable people

Prove that this is the case. I have not called them anything but illegal alliens. Your point is rejected.
Yet do you denigh the amount of drugs being smuggled in through our borders, the "coyote" business smuggling people,then holding them prisoners to try and get more money?

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

Since when has entering a country to supply a demand for labor akin to breaking and entering an individuals house?

The reason doesn't matter. It's the fact that they are discourteous enough to do it.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

The local residents would end up sunburnt and exhausted after 3 hours of doing an immigrant laborers average job.

I've already shown what a BS statement this is. Whether you like it or not its been shown that Americans DO do those jobs.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

Quit fooling around. They are criminal at similar rates to US citizens.

Since you want to play the literal card....Every single illegal alien in this country has broken the law. Not every American has. So no, the rates are not similar.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

Wait... so stitching together a bunch of projected models of the potential minimal rises in prices of certain products, and potential gains to employment for a handful of business sectors that have been tossed together by a newspaper article written for curiosity counts to you as a measure of the benefit of exploited immigrant labor to the united states over two centuries. I don't think it cuts it, sorry. Build the south without slaves, try again.

Not my fault that you won't accept facts. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

And how do you imagine to do that... I would appreciate your most creative response.

Alabama seems to have done a fine job of it. Follow their example.

Originally Posted by taxigirl

It was a study about immigrants in general not illegal immigrants.

It still included illegal aliens. Since it included all immigrants that just shows that legal residents, both American born and those that are here legally, far outstrip in doing those jobs than illegals.

Originally Posted by taxigirl

How many times have you heard about someone you know out of work? Did they go to Walmart for work? Did they go to McDonald's? Did they try the cab company? Did they try local butcher? Did they try cleaning up road kill? Did they go to that farm for seasonal work? Granted-- walmart and McDonald's are not generally the jobs we are talking about, but my point here is that people are not willing to do the work they need to. People are told stupid things like "What not to do when you first get fired"--Don't take "any" job, etc...

I know lots. Myself included. I personally have done everything that they say Americans won't do. I've worked at several different types of farms, i've done construction, i've dug ditches, i've cleaned both hotel and motel rooms and lobbies, i've cleaned yards and helped do landscaping. Which is also why I know lots of Americans that do the jobs that pro-illegals say "American's won't do". Just go to any state with little to no illegal workforce and you will see Americans doing those jobs.