Thread: Obama still wants to pass amnesty.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

I'm sorry, something tells me illegals are more driven by economic concern than the selfish evil greedy desire to become Americans.

Like hey 'I'm going to America because I'm a bad man that wants to cheat a country for all it's got.'
They strike me as folks wanting to improve their standard of living.

So? How does that in any way excuse their actions? If I went and robbed a bank in order to improve my standard of living would you try and excuse it also? If I invaded your home because its nicer than mine would you just allow it and excuse it? Or would you call the cops?

Sorry MKULTRABOY but that line of talk means nothing to me.

Originally Posted by Kal'Stang

So? How does that in any way excuse their actions? If I went and robbed a bank in order to improve my standard of living would you try and excuse it also? If I invaded your home because its nicer than mine would you just allow it and excuse it? Or would you call the cops?

Sorry MKULTRABOY but that line of talk means nothing to me.

Calling everyone who can't afford to come into the US legally a rapist murderer thief and leech on society doesn't get anywhere with me... or reasonable people

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

Nobody has actually bothered to calculate the value of illegal immigrant labor, considering they've been a massive labor force since the US reached down into concerned areas.

Here's your value of the illegal alien labor force...

Seattle Times ~ Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices

Here's some of the cost of illegal aliens....

Illegal, but Not Undocumented: Identity Theft, Document Fraud, and Illegal Employment
FAIR ~ The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Californians: Executive Summary

Jobs American's won't do? BS for anyone that states it.

Jobs Americans Won’t Do? A Detailed Look at Immigrant Employment by Occupation

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

Calling everyone who can't afford to come into the US legally a rapist murderer thief and leech on society doesn't get anywhere with me... or reasonable people

Where have I done that? The first post of mine that you responded to didn't even mention anything like that.

I am always amused when I hear folks say that illegals do jobs that nobody here in this country will NOT do. I am in the South and know plenty of legal folks born here work on farms and all these so called jobs that most will NOT Do? DO! I know at least 10 men born here right now that would gladly take a job doing any of these so called jobs us so called lazy and snobby would not take. The thing is that a lot of these jobs? The folks that hire the workers are NOT looking for legal peeps to work these jobs and pay under the table and whatever.

Originally Posted by Kal'Stang

Here's your value of the illegal alien labor force...

This study you cite is about Immigrants not Illegal Immigrants. Please see the paragraph below from the "Methodology" portion of the report.

Jobs American's won't do? BS for anyone that states it.

Jobs Americans Won’t Do? A Detailed Look at Immigrant Employment by Occupation

"The immigrant population, which can also be referred to as the foreign-born, is defined as persons living in the United States who were not U.S. citizens at birth. In the ACS this includes people who responded to the survey who are naturalized American citizens, legal permanent residents (green card holders), illegal aliens, and people on long-term temporary visas such as students or guest workers. It does not include those born abroad of American parents or those born in outlying territories of the United States, such as Puerto Rico. Prior research indicates that some 90 percent of illegal immigrants respond to the ACS"

Originally Posted by Kali

I am always amused when I hear folks say that illegals do jobs that nobody here in this country will NOT do. I am in the South and know plenty of legal folks born here work on farms and all these so called jobs that most will NOT Do? DO! I know at least 10 men born here right now that would gladly take a job doing any of these so called jobs us so called lazy and snobby would not take. The thing is that a lot of these jobs? The folks that hire the workers are NOT looking for legal peeps to work these jobs and pay under the table and whatever.

There is a difference between jobs and work. Work comes and goes, jobs last.

Immigration law: Farmers skeptical as leaders pitch possible labor alternatives | al.com
"Farmers have voiced among the loudest complaints since the state’s immigration law took effect in October. Many growers have said that the law has scared away even legal immigrants who used to perform the manual labor in their fields. "

Originally Posted by taxigirl

This study you cite is about Immigrants not Illegal Immigrants. Please see the paragraph below from the "Methodology" portion of the report.



"The immigrant population, which can also be referred to as the foreign-born, is defined as persons living in the United States who were not U.S. citizens at birth. In the ACS this includes people who responded to the survey who are naturalized American citizens, legal permanent residents (green card holders), illegal aliens, and people on long-term temporary visas such as students or guest workers. It does not include those born abroad of American parents or those born in outlying territories of the United States, such as Puerto Rico. Prior research indicates that some 90 percent of illegal immigrants respond to the ACS"

Which as your own quote shows you includes illegal aliens. So considering that they are using ALL immigrants, both legal and illegal, that just shows that illegal aliens are doing even less of the jobs that "American's won't do" than just what the report shows.

Sorry but that didn't help the whole "Illegals do jobs American's won't do" mantra at all...in fact it made it even more BS.

Originally Posted by taxigirl

There is a difference between jobs and work. Work comes and goes, jobs last.

Immigration law: Farmers skeptical as leaders pitch possible labor alternatives | al.com
"Farmers have voiced among the loudest complaints since the state’s immigration law took effect in October. Many growers have said that the law has scared away even legal immigrants who used to perform the manual labor in their fields. "

Why would legal immigrants be scared away by that law? It only applies to illegal immigrants. I smell BS on the part of the farmers.

Originally Posted by Kal'Stang

Where have I done that? The first post of mine that you responded to didn't even mention anything like that.

If I went and robbed a bank in order to improve my standard of living would you try and excuse it also? If I invaded your home because its nicer than mine would you just allow it and excuse it? Or would you call the cops?

Same old bull****... every time a Mexican comes across to hammer some nails into a roof they're robbing the damned house. Or wait... in the 10 thousandth immigration thread this analogy to violent crime happens to be different. Oh wait, no its not... walking across the border and hammering nails into some Americans roof and knocking up the girlfriend that came with you and cleans dishes down the street is somehow like robbing a bank, nay it is in fact a eugenic plot to undermine America.

Here's some of the cost of illegal aliens....

SORRY, find me a north American group willing to calculate the benefit of the labor of illegals to the United States. Oh wait, they don't, cause nobody thinks of that, and nobody has thought of it for about 200 years.



Americans can't afford to seal their own borders
The alternatives to Amnesty are a police state or neglecting the situation.