Thread: Could Germany Have Won WWII?[W:513]

Most people say that Hitler lost the war when he attacked Russia. Of cause attacking Russia while Britain was still in the war and thus having to fight on two fronts was foolish, Germany could have won the won in the east in 1941 if Hitler did not demand that army group center stop its march on Moscow, turn south and take Kiev. If left to drive on Moscow, army group center would have took the city and with it the hart of the USSSR.

Napoleon took Moscow, he still froze to death like Hitler. But I think in a general sense Hitler may have won WW2, it wouldn't have occupied Russia and would have had to been capable of drawing a line in the sand and defending it. It would have been a massive line but if he captured most major industrial centers, and the oil in the caucuses and managed to cut off Russia from western aid he might have done it. I think pointing out a specific decision or incident is a bit foolish, there are always larger factors at play.

Or if there was another revolution in Russia like during WW1 he could have made peace with whatever russian government came out of that civil war so they could better fight entirely, exactly like in WW1

Originally Posted by Wiseone

Napoleon took Moscow, he still froze to death like Hitler. But I think in a general sense Hitler may have won WW2, it wouldn't have occupied Russia and would have had to been capable of drawing a line in the sand and defending it. It would have been a massive line but if he captured most major industrial centers, and the oil in the caucuses and managed to cut off Russia from western aid he might have done it. I think pointing out a specific decision or incident is a bit foolish, there are always larger factors at play.

Or if there was another revolution in Russia like during WW1 he could have made peace with whatever russian government came out of that civil war so they could better fight entirely, exactly like in WW1

Of couse but my point is that before any military setbacks to the German army, that was their best chance to win in the east.

No, Germany could not have beaten Russia, Russia had over 10,000,000 casualties on the Eastern Front and still marched into Berlin, and could draw from a **** load of trained troops from the war with Japan in Eastern Russia, Hitler didn't really stand a chance against Russia.

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I always wonder why people don't instead look at, why did Hitler attack France and the West in the first place. Why did Germany not attack and do away with Russia first. Through Chzechoslovakia or their Ally, Romania? They could have amassed troops and attacked, tacking out Russia and then turning to the West. He could have completely ignored Poland for years and made a sneak attack on France. Essentially Island Hope around Europe. Solidify Italy as a power instead of seeing their pathetic army get their asses handed to them over and over. There are lots of ways that they could have done things much better.

Originally Posted by spud_meister

No, Germany could not have beaten Russia, Russia had over 10,000,000 casualties on the Eastern Front and still marched into Berlin, and could draw from a **** load of trained troops from the war with Japan in Eastern Russia, Hitler didn't really stand a chance against Russia.

Russia had over 20,000,000 casualties but my point is that in 1941 even after going south first, army group center came witin 17 miles of Moscow. If army group center did not go south, they could have indeed, would have taken Moscow and if Moscow had fallen the war in the east could have been won.

Germany would have never "won the war".

What might have happened it this.

All of it depends on Hitlers conquest of England. Had England and Britain been captured by Hitler, he could have then diverted most of those forces back onto the Eastern Front as America might not have sought to invade Britain to recapture it at that point, or it would take them awhile.

Since he would have been able to reposition those forces, he may very well have been able to capture Moscow and the USSR might have fallen.

The issue from there is, how much further would Hitler have gone. Had he tried to take any new Territory, say the rest of the Middle East or Asia, he might have suspected his forces would get spread far too thin, after all, it takes alot of manpower and recourses to hold on to the captured terroritory, assuming the insurgencies in Russia, France and Britain were in full swing.

An eventual deal would have been reached between the US and Germany at that point I believe.

But one can never say.

Originally Posted by Big Tom

Russia had over 20,000,000 casualties but my point is that in 1941 even after going south first, army group center came witin 17 miles of Moscow. If army group center did not go south, they could have indeed, would have taken Moscow and if Moscow had fallen the war in the east could have been won.

No it wouldn't've, Russia's a big country, they still had 3/4 of their territory, they still had more troops, they would have kept on fighting.

Originally Posted by Jetboogieman

Germany would have never "won the war".

What might have happened it this.

All of it depends on Hitlers conquest of England. Had England and Britain been captured by Hitler, he could have then diverted most of those forces back onto the Eastern Front as America might not have sought to invade Britain to recapture it at that point, or it would take them awhile.

Since he would have been able to reposition those forces, he may very well have been able to capture Moscow and the USSR might have fallen.

The issue from there is, how much further would Hitler have gone. Had he tried to take any new Territory, say the rest of the Middle East or Asia, he might have suspected his forces would get spread far too thin, after all, it takes alot of manpower and recourses to hold on to the captured terroritory, assuming the insurgencies in Russia, France and Britain were in full swing.

An eventual deal would have been reached between the US and Germany at that point I believe.

But one can never say.

You right that no one can say but if you read about the war, and in 1941 thats when they had the best chance in the east.