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Spanish Documents Suggest Irish Arrived in America Before Columbus

dimensionallava said:
but you said ethiopians dont consider themselves africans, there might be some tribal bigotry between the clans, I know the bantu are discriminated against, maybe thats whats they meant. But Ethiopians are definitely african

the first humans left africa up the nile river and into the middle east through egypt, about 130,000 years ago and they left in mutiple dispersals with many groups becoming extinct, not long after leaving africa, it wasn't until 70,000 years ago that first red sea crossing from east africa into the arabian peninsula happened and by that time human beings from the first dispersals were already living as far as china

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans
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It can get fairly ugly, and I'll leave it to you explore the various links if you wish. Regardless Ethiopians count themselves dark Caucasians and/or Arabs rather than Africans.
 
Jack Hays said:
It can get fairly ugly, and I'll leave it to you explore the various links if you wish. Regardless Ethiopians count themselves dark Caucasians and/or Arabs rather than Africans.
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sure but what links?
 
Jack Hays said:
Experiment with your search engine. "Ethiopians not Africans" and "Ethiopian DNA not African" will get you to most of it.
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So I read a few things saying that, but its mostly single blog posts followed by 10 people correcting them and calling them idiots, and it appears to be just nonsense bigotry between clans as I assumed, the whole "my girls are prettier than your girls" and "my boys are stronger and smarter then your boys", then backed up by some weak racial pseudoscience about "Eurasian backflow". which they think means that Ethiopians are white or "dark caucasians" but in reality theyre still africans. Between fascist italy and Haile Selassie I'm sure ethiopians are still very prejudiced, and racial pseudoscience is still alive and well, but hey atleast theyre not as bad as Rwanda.
A report in November 2015 on a 4,500 year old Ethiopian genome had originally overestimated the genetic influence of the Eurasian backflow, claiming that signs of the migration could be found in genomes all over Africa. This mistaken claim was based on a data processing error and was corrected in February 2016
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_backflow
 
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dimensionallava said:
So I read a few things saying that, but its mostly single blog posts followed by 10 people correcting them and calling them idiots, and it appears to be just nonsense bigotry between clans as I assumed, the whole "my girls are prettier than your girls" and "my boys are stronger and smarter then your boys", then backed up by some weak racial pseudoscience about "Eurasian backflow". which they think means that Ethiopians are white or "dark caucasians" but in reality theyre still africans. Between fascist italy and Haile Selassie I'm sure ethiopians are still very prejudiced, and racial pseudoscience is still alive and well, but hey atleast theyre not as bad as Rwanda.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_backflow
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I do not vouch for any of the science or pseudoscience. My point was only that the Ethiopians consider it an insult to be called Africans.
As for the Rwandans, they're my favorite Africans.
 
Jack Hays said:
I do not vouch for any of the science or pseudoscience. My point was only that the Ethiopians consider it an insult to be called Africans.
As for the Rwandans, they're my favorite Africans.
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okay thats interesting, east africa gets left out of the history books too often I find, Puntland was just as (if not more) important than egypt, people had private libraries in theyre homes in east africa before the first libraries in europe were ever built, they were trading with india centuries before europeans ever knew the subcontinent existed.

but to get back on topic since you mentioned china ealrier what do think of zheng he's story

It seems more likely that the world and all its continents were discovered by a Chinese admiral named Zheng He, whose fleets roamed the oceans between 1405 and 1435. His exploits, which are well documented in Chinese historical records, were written about in a book which appeared in China around 1418 called “The Marvellous Visions of the Star Raft”
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China beat Columbus to it, perhaps | The Economist
 
dimensionallava said:
okay thats interesting, east africa gets left out of the history books too often I find, Puntland was just as (if not more) important than egypt, people had private libraries in theyre homes in east africa before the first libraries in europe were ever built, they were trading with india centuries before europeans ever knew the subcontinent existed.

but to get back on topic since you mentioned china ealrier what do think of zheng he's story



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China beat Columbus to it, perhaps | The Economist
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I believe I already cited the book 1421​ in this thread.
 
Threegoofs said:
Thailand.
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Actually let me correct you, thailand is way too oblong to meet the criteria, vietnam would have been better with the gulf of tonka, but neither resemble it close enough.
 
beerftw said:
Actually let me correct you, thailand is way too oblong to meet the criteria, vietnam would have been better with the gulf of tonka, but neither resemble it close enough.
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LOL.

Sure. They could get the shape (although seem to miss all the other shapes by a longshot) but just put it half a globe away.
 
Threegoofs said:
LOL.

Sure. They could get the shape (although seem to miss all the other shapes by a longshot) but just put it half a globe away.
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It matches with portuguese maps ver a thousand years later, that remained until columbus, hence the theory the had been traveling there all along, and assumed they were in asia or india. The ancient world believed there were no western continents, so by their own theory if they sailed west they would hit india or china, the numerous roman artifacts found in the americas backs this theory as very plausible, as well as western only things like pineapples corn and tobacco being found in reference and in actual archaeological finds.

It is insane to assume that in thousands of to millions of years of mankind and atleast 200k years of travel by water, no one ran into america except asians.
 
beerftw said:
It matches with portuguese maps ver a thousand years later, that remained until columbus, hence the theory the had been traveling there all along, and assumed they were in asia or india. The ancient world believed there were no western continents, so by their own theory if they sailed west they would hit india or china, the numerous roman artifacts found in the americas backs this theory as very plausible, as well as western only things like pineapples corn and tobacco being found in reference and in actual archaeological finds.

It is insane to assume that in thousands of to millions of years of mankind and atleast 200k years of travel by water, no one ran into america except asians.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

So far you have an old map with a peninsula you hope is Florida.
 
Threegoofs said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

So far you have an old map with a peninsula you hope is Florida.
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Are you going to refute any claims or simply say nuh uh it does not agree with my beliefs and I am right because I say so?
 
beerftw said:
Are you going to refute any claims or simply say nuh uh it does not agree with my beliefs and I am right because I say so?
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So *I* have to disprove your absurd claims?

Maybe you should actually reference some from credible sources.
 
Threegoofs said:
So *I* have to disprove your absurd claims?

Maybe you should actually reference some from credible sources.
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I actually want to debate dimensionalva now, he would actually atleast offer rebutall, you not so much, other than run arounds.
 
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