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35 countries where the U.S. has supported fascists, drug lords and terrorists

I have learned to never expect a citation. That there will be none (other then more opiniones), and then a spin off to another direction laying out another whopper that hopefully covers up for the first one.

After 3 or 4 tries in trying to pin down any claims, I simply gave up. The entire purpose of this thread is vomiting up endless complaints against the US being behind every evil thing in the last 200 years, and has nothing to do with history at all.

Although in a great many of our "left leaning" colleges, it would probably pass off as a scholarly work as part of a liberal arts degree, like a BA in Socially Advanced Census Taking. Or maybe even as part of the History requirement for a Teaching Degree. But as a true scholarly work, it is a load of coprolite.

And notice the original posting was not even "original", simply lifted from another source. And the OP absolutely accepts all of them 100% verbatim. I may for example enjoy and worship the writings of other famous philosophers in the past, like Joshua bar Joseph, Karl Marx, and Ron Paul. But only a brainless idiot would accept 100% of everything they say without any kind of internal reservation.

There are times where a poster will make a statement that at least sounds superficially logical.

This ain't one of them.

And I agree... Just another thump in the never-ending drumbeat of "US BAD" from this poster.
 
So we should dismiss the ****ty things we have done because the USSR according to you was "worse"?

Well, how many Americans and captured foreigners died in the endless gulags across the American landscape?

None of that has to do with the Bangladesh Genocide....

Please try again...

Support or retract.

In other words you got caught making crap up and now want to pretend it's all some anti communist crap. Are you always this dishonest.

Do not expect either. I gave up on this one within a few postings, when I realized they could not only confirm nothing, they then spun off into a completely different direction, spinning even more coprolite.

History threads should be about history, not propaganda. We have propaganda threads all about that, so things like this should be thrown over there.

For example, if somebody wants to discuss how Karl Marx came up with his political beliefs, and how they were shaped and molded by the politics of the time and their ideals, that seems like it should be acceptable historical fodder. Discuss how the goals were attempted over the years, and why they were successful or failed.

But talking about how Marx was the greatest thing since presliced bread, and how everybody must bow down to his wisdom as well as every nation which claims to follow it is lunacy. That is not scholarly at all, that is political crapola. There is a difference between discussing things neutrally and viewing things dispassionately while looking at both sides with an impartial eye (the eye may be biased, but an attempt to be neutral should be taken).

Then there is outright proselytizing, "Dyslexics of the world untie", "Keep Calm and Boogie On", and "Trust Me, I Know What I'm Doing". I so far have seen none of that in here from the OP. I might actually pay attention to them if they could actually have a discussion like a rational person and stick to a single thought instead of trying to spin off to yet another fantasy as a way to try and just the claim of their first fantasy. Then a third fantasy to confirm their second fantasy.
 
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There are times where a poster will make a statement that at least sounds superficially logical.

This ain't one of them.

And I agree... Just another thump in the never-ending drumbeat of "US BAD" from this poster.

I for one have never said the US was an angel. And the US has admittadly done a lot of bad things over the years.

But for one, claiming that it was the originator of them all is simply nonsense. Nations that the US has had almost nothing to do with have been doing bad things for eons. So taking a hypothetical genocide between the Dutchy of Grand Fenwick against their minority Myopian population and then trying to claim that because some US President stated that they liked their Pinot Grand Fenwick wine, and the US tried to gain a trade concession for said wine as part of the US backing said genocide is simple lunacy.

And yes, I would (and have) said the same thing against those rabid anti-Communists who have made similar charges against the USSR and PRC.

And to look at most of the situations involved, Realpolitik has to be taken into careful consideration. And for those that do not really know or understand what that is, one of the best descriptions of Realpolitik I have read described it as "politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."

In other words, when you look at a historical situation, leave your political craop at the door, and look at it without preconcieved notions of how you think it should be done and how you think it should be, but how it really is.

In fact, one of the most interesting damnations of the USSR came from none other then Mao himself. In his "Three Worlds Theory", he described both the US and USSR as "Imperialist nations", both using the minor Second World nations to exploit and colonize the weaker Third World nations for their own advancement.

But do not expect our rabid Communists in here to recognize the truth of Chairman Mao's theory. Because it painted the USSR in a negative light, it must be expunged, attacked, and ignored every time it is brought up.
 
Well, how many Americans and captured foreigners died in the endless gulags across the American landscape?

Again, so we should dismiss the ****ty things we have done because the USSR according to you was "worse"?
 
The enemy of my enemy may still be my enemy, but that will not stop me from using them to my benefit.

It's called International Relations, and it has more sides, shapes, shades, and nuances than a river that flows over a thousand miles. There are no straight lines that can define or be defined by International Relations.

Once a person understands that, they can stop getting butt hurt by stories like those in the OP article - Salon.com has never understood this, as seen in the OP article.

This should've been, [/THREAD]
 
Again, so we should dismiss the ****ty things we have done because the USSR according to you was "worse"?

Exactly.

It's no excuse in court to say 'Sure, I murdered 10 people your honor. But my partner murdered 20...so I should get a light sentence.'
 
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