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35 countries where the U.S. has supported fascists, drug lords and terrorists

I see. So there would have been no coup, if the Spaniosh had never traveled to Argentina hundreds of years prior in the first place.

Goodbye.

hundreds of years??? who owns the falkland islands still today? And not only did the USA destroy the government that liberated them from european colonists, in the 1945 coup they came back again in 1966 after the people had voted wrong according to the USA, and installed a brutal military dictatorship. The dirty war as its called was nothing short of a miniature holocaust murdering tens of thousand of innocent people, virtually any political activist or group that beleived in democracy, liberalism, or anything even close too socialism.
 
hundreds of years??? who owns the falkland islands still today? And not only did the USA destroy the government that liberated them from european colonists, in the 1945 coup they came back again in 1966 after the people had voted wrong according to the USA, and installed a brutal military dictatorship. The dirty war as its called was nothing short of a miniature holocaust murdering tens of thousand of innocent people, virtually any political activist or group that beleived in democracy, liberalism, or anything even close too socialism.

Uh.....No. Not even close.

The Argentinean junta was nasty, but nothing on the level of Nazi Germany. The exact same "disappearing" tactics were being used by East Bloc states around the world at the same time.
 
The Taliban were a minor faction during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. They came to power later in the 90's due to support from Pakistan and the Saudis.

The Taliban

and the usa and isreal, funded them as well. The mujahadeen were divided mainly amongst ethnic and clan lines, and there were some controversies about which group to sponsor, but these differences were similair to differences between ISIS, AL-queda, and AL nusra today. while there are some minor differences, they were basically the same
 
and the usa and isreal, funded them as well. The mujahadeen were divided mainly amongst ethnic and clan lines, and there were some controversies about which group to sponsor, but these differences were similair to differences between ISIS, AL-queda, and AL nusra today. while there are some minor differences, they were basically the same

No not basically the same. From Clans to ethnics groups, 40 % approx being Pushtu. The main area for Pashtuns are along the Pakistani border.
 
the US will kill or aid in the killing of whoever they want if it is deemed it will further military and business interests

...and this is coming from the mouth of a COMMUNIST?

pot / kettle / black
 
Uh.....No. Not even close.

The Argentinean junta was nasty, but nothing on the level of Nazi Germany. The exact same "disappearing" tactics were being used by East Bloc states around the world at the same time.

And that is also a vast exageration of what the Dirty War actually was.

Yes, the military Junta went to far after the 1976 coup, but one also has to look at why they did so.

The military there had stepped in several times prior to that, and each time was considered by the people a pretty neutral leadership. Which then stepped back out once the nation stabilized again. And at the time of the 1976 coup, they had been ordered to ignore the constitution, impose martial law, and arrest and execute large numbers of people that the Peronists did not like. And this was people on both the Far Right and the Far Left.

In fact, this has to be considered when a person takes into consideration that the Dirty War started in 1974. For those that pay attention, that is 2 years prior to the coup. It was this very action that caused the military to step in in the first place. And those first 2 years were under the Socialist government that the OP thinks was in the right.

However, the last time they decided that instead of allowing the nation to stabilize and return power that they would keep it for themselves. Although they talked about returning power to the Civilian Government again, they never did so. So by 1982 what had been applauded was not terrifying. Also, the total killed was around 13,000. Not the "tens of thousands" that the OP claims. And while tragic, it is not any kind of "holocaust".

As far as the Malvinas conflict, that is something else altogether. I myself have talked about this many times in the Military section. Even going back to the British Invasion of Argentina in 1806, and the back and forth occupation of one nation then the other for the next century.

And if anybody wonders why I know so much about this time, blame it on my wife. You see, she was born and lived in Buenos Aires and she and her family fled to the US in 1979 because of the Dirty War. We first met just a few months before the Falklands War, and our first conversations were about that conflict. So this should give an idea how long I have been looking into things there.

And as for arresting "leftists and socialists", my wife's family were known to have been both for decades. But that was not why they were ordered to be arrested. Her father worked for the Air Force, discovered some corruption and graft, and reported it. The only problem is, the General he reported it to was the very one making the kickbacks. Nobody cared that his wife was a known Peronista, and he was a minor union spokesman, or her uncle was an "intellectual" professor at the University.
 
No not basically the same. From Clans to ethnics groups, 40 % approx being Pushtu. The main area for Pashtuns are along the Pakistani border.
thats true they were somewhat divided among ethnicity but that has more to do with how the borders of afghanistan were drawn in the first pace, and less to do with wars amongst clans or anything

afghanistan_ethno_1982.jpg



Pakistan and Afghanistan were a apart of one country, the durrani empire, before the british invaded. the southern border is called the durand line and much like the sykes-picot border between iraq and syria it was created to serve the interests of colonial powers and nothing more

even hamid karzai described it as nothing more than "a line of hatred" and the taliban officially never recognized it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_Line
 
And that is also a vast exageration of what the Dirty War actually was.

Yes, the military Junta went to far after the 1976 coup, but one also has to look at why they did so.

The military there had stepped in several times prior to that, and each time was considered by the people a pretty neutral leadership. Which then stepped back out once the nation stabilized again. And at the time of the 1976 coup, they had been ordered to ignore the constitution, impose martial law, and arrest and execute large numbers of people that the Peronists did not like. And this was people on both the Far Right and the Far Left.

In fact, this has to be considered when a person takes into consideration that the Dirty War started in 1974. For those that pay attention, that is 2 years prior to the coup. It was this very action that caused the military to step in in the first place. And those first 2 years were under the Socialist government that the OP thinks was in the right.

However, the last time they decided that instead of allowing the nation to stabilize and return power that they would keep it for themselves. Although they talked about returning power to the Civilian Government again, they never did so. So by 1982 what had been applauded was not terrifying. Also, the total killed was around 13,000. Not the "tens of thousands" that the OP claims. And while tragic, it is not any kind of "holocaust".

As far as the Malvinas conflict, that is something else altogether. I myself have talked about this many times in the Military section. Even going back to the British Invasion of Argentina in 1806, and the back and forth occupation of one nation then the other for the next century.

And if anybody wonders why I know so much about this time, blame it on my wife. You see, she was born and lived in Buenos Aires and she and her family fled to the US in 1979 because of the Dirty War. We first met just a few months before the Falklands War, and our first conversations were about that conflict. So this should give an idea how long I have been looking into things there.

And as for arresting "leftists and socialists", my wife's family were known to have been both for decades. But that was not why they were ordered to be arrested. Her father worked for the Air Force, discovered some corruption and graft, and reported it. The only problem is, the General he reported it to was the very one making the kickbacks. Nobody cared that his wife was a known Peronista, and he was a minor union spokesman, or her uncle was an "intellectual" professor at the University.

again your using the minor crimes of the local government, too excuse ten times, the amount of destruction and murder caused by foreign imperialism, the amount killed in the dirty is unknown some say its over 30,000 the chileans just recently declassified alot of info about this. Argentina: Secret U.S. Documents Declassified on Dirty War Atrocities

and can you tell me where the peronists executed large amounts of people for no reason other than they just didn't like them? or were they executing members of deaths squads that had been attempting genocide in their country for decades? The USA funded and approved the dirty war and they sure as hell didn't fund it on the leftists side.
 
...and this is coming from the mouth of a COMMUNIST?

pot / kettle / black

at least the ussr backed decolonization efforts while the US backed an apartheid state :coffeepap
 
thats true they were somewhat divided among ethnicity but that has more to do with how the borders of afghanistan were drawn in the first pace, and less to do with wars amongst clans or anything

afghanistan_ethno_1982.jpg



Pakistan and Afghanistan were a apart of one country, the durrani empire, before the british invaded. the southern border is called the durand line and much like the sykes-picot border between iraq and syria it was created to serve the interests of colonial powers and nothing more

even hamid karzai described it as nothing more than "a line of hatred" and the taliban officially never recognized it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_Line

The Durrani Empire didn't even last a hundred years, it was preceded by a smattering of quasi-independent emirates, and other various entities. The Durand Line is a serious and legitimate problem for the future of Afghan-Pakistan relations, but to pretend that these regions were always joined at the hip simply isn't true.
 
at least the ussr backed decolonization efforts while the US backed an apartheid state :coffeepap

Hey, Commie. I ALSO have a communist flag. It is hanging in my closet.
I got it as a war trophy for blowing the bottom out of a RUSSIAN (USSR-type) gunboat that was helping with the ethnic cleansing.
We took the USSR Russian crew off, the Sgt Maj got the compass, the demo guy got the bell, and I hauled down its commission pennant, then blew it all to hell., after salvaging all the weapons off of it.
NO COMMUNIST can say anything to anyone about being morally just.
You COMMUNIST are the worst of the lot. Even Hitler was not as bad as Stalin.
You have no room to say anything about any country's actions when those that fly your flag are the absolute worst tyrants in modern history.

I laugh my ass off when I see COMMUNISTS try and point the finger at other people and countries, and say how bad they are.

Read about your own history.
 
Here is a list of 35 drug lords, death squads, and terrorists that the USA has supported since the end of World War 2. Do you believe that supporting some of these groups was the wrong thing too do? If so which ones, and which ones if any do you believe actually deserved more American support? Does supporting groups like these help or hurt american interests? And how do you think this effects current diplomatic relations between these specific countries today?



35 countries where the U.S. has supported fascists, drug lords and terrorists - Salon.com

That's exactly why our foreign policies and market share expansions have created terrorism for US. The general public doesn't get that a lot of countries in this world had to deal recently in world history, with the British Empire, the Russian / Soviet Empire, the French Empire, and now it's the US Empire. That means that said countries who have suffered such interloping see all western influence as empire. They're tired of Empire. Empire puts them to war and rips their countries off of their places in world markets and their own foreign policies. Those same people who think it's okay and fair and our manifest destiny for US empire are the same ones who thought it was a truly great idea for our bunch of colonial rabble-rousers to go to gorilla war with the British Empire. Because we're Americans so that was different. Everybody else is a commie or a terrorist.
 
The Durrani Empire didn't even last a hundred years, it was preceded by a smattering of quasi-independent emirates, and other various entities. The Durand Line is a serious and legitimate problem for the future of Afghan-Pakistan relations, but to pretend that these regions were always joined at the hip simply isn't true.

I no longer read any posts by that individual, but that absolutely made my jaw drop.

Really? Backing the Durrani Empire?

An empire that was highly expansionist, and through force took over territory in what is now Iran and Pakistan?

Which had invaded India no less then 6 times? Primarily taking any riches it could find and destroying temples before returning to modern Afghanistan?

While somebody in here commented on how 13,000 or so was a "holocaust" upon people based upon politics, the Durrani had attempted no less then 2 actual genocides against the Sikhs. One in 1746, another in 1762. Both times in territory which is deep inside even modern day India (in the India of that era Pakistan was also part of it). Estimated death tolls were somewhere around 50,000, roughly half of the Sikh population at the time.

Now I noticed the reference to the Anglo-Afghan Wars. There were actually 3 of them.

The first was in 1839, which came about because the British refused to support the Afghans in an attack against the Sikhs, so they instead offered to allow the Russians to pass through their territory to invade India.

The second was in 1878. This started when a British envoy to the Afghan Empire was refused entry then fired upon. This caused the British to bring forces to the border, then invaded. They agreed to a cease fire and started to withdraw in mid-1879 once they agreed to accept a British envoy. However, in September of 1879 uin Kabul the British Envoy was killed, along with all of his guards and staff. This reignited the conflict, and the British withdrew when a more open government replaced the former one.

The final one was in 1919, when a new Khan of Afghanistan decided to invade India because they were not allowed to participate in the Versailles Peace Talks.

And did you notice that the accepted border is the "Durrand Line", and not the "Durrani Line"? It is named after Sir Mortimer Durrand, a British diplomat. It had no connection to the Durrani Empire, that empire had ceased to exist way back in 1826.

Funny how some people will scream out about the death of around a dozen thousand, then scream that a group that had killed scores of thousands were innocent victims of Imperialism.

But please, I encourage everybody to research the various Anglo-Afghan Wars, and the Durrani Empire. One of the first true "modern Genocides". The protection that the British gave to the Sikhs in that time is one reason even to this day that they have long supported the UK. The 3 most feared groups of British Empire fighters for over a century were the the Gurkhas, and the Sikhs. Both were fiercly loyal to the Empire, because both recognized that they could each have been destroyed, but were instead saved and brought in as allies when they lost wars with them. That kind of "peace" after a war was almost unknown in that area of the world, and earned the repect and honor of their former adversaries.
 
Hey, Commie. I ALSO have a communist flag. It is hanging in my closet.
I got it as a war trophy for blowing the bottom out of a RUSSIAN (USSR-type) gunboat that was helping with the ethnic cleansing.
We took the USSR Russian crew off, the Sgt Maj got the compass, the demo guy got the bell, and I hauled down its commission pennant, then blew it all to hell., after salvaging all the weapons off of it.
NO COMMUNIST can say anything to anyone about being morally just.
You COMMUNIST are the worst of the lot. Even Hitler was not as bad as Stalin.
You have no room to say anything about any country's actions when those that fly your flag are the absolute worst tyrants in modern history.

I laugh my ass off when I see COMMUNISTS try and point the finger at other people and countries, and say how bad they are.

Read about your own history.

You can't even name which conflict this little anecdote came from? Why's that?
 
You can't even name which conflict this little anecdote came from? Why's that?

because we were never there....and I was not in the US military.

Wanna also see my Yugo M57 Tokerov?

I got it at the same time as the flag.

Don't ask about the sniper Mosin Nagant or the RPK. I would have to lie to you.
 
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I no longer read any posts by that individual, but that absolutely made my jaw drop.

Really? Backing the Durrani Empire?

An empire that was highly expansionist, and through force took over territory in what is now Iran and Pakistan?

Which had invaded India no less then 6 times? Primarily taking any riches it could find and destroying temples before returning to modern Afghanistan?

While somebody in here commented on how 13,000 or so was a "holocaust" upon people based upon politics, the Durrani had attempted no less then 2 actual genocides against the Sikhs. One in 1746, another in 1762. Both times in territory which is deep inside even modern day India (in the India of that era Pakistan was also part of it). Estimated death tolls were somewhere around 50,000, roughly half of the Sikh population at the time.

Now I noticed the reference to the Anglo-Afghan Wars. There were actually 3 of them.

The first was in 1839, which came about because the British refused to support the Afghans in an attack against the Sikhs, so they instead offered to allow the Russians to pass through their territory to invade India.

The second was in 1878. This started when a British envoy to the Afghan Empire was refused entry then fired upon. This caused the British to bring forces to the border, then invaded. They agreed to a cease fire and started to withdraw in mid-1879 once they agreed to accept a British envoy. However, in September of 1879 uin Kabul the British Envoy was killed, along with all of his guards and staff. This reignited the conflict, and the British withdrew when a more open government replaced the former one.

The final one was in 1919, when a new Khan of Afghanistan decided to invade India because they were not allowed to participate in the Versailles Peace Talks.

And did you notice that the accepted border is the "Durrand Line", and not the "Durrani Line"? It is named after Sir Mortimer Durrand, a British diplomat. It had no connection to the Durrani Empire, that empire had ceased to exist way back in 1826.

Funny how some people will scream out about the death of around a dozen thousand, then scream that a group that had killed scores of thousands were innocent victims of Imperialism.

But please, I encourage everybody to research the various Anglo-Afghan Wars, and the Durrani Empire. One of the first true "modern Genocides". The protection that the British gave to the Sikhs in that time is one reason even to this day that they have long supported the UK. The 3 most feared groups of British Empire fighters for over a century were the the Gurkhas, and the Sikhs. Both were fiercly loyal to the Empire, because both recognized that they could each have been destroyed, but were instead saved and brought in as allies when they lost wars with them. That kind of "peace" after a war was almost unknown in that area of the world, and earned the repect and honor of their former adversaries.

Finally...a military history nut that knows even more than I.

(drawing my cutlass and giving you a fine spit & polish parade ground sword salute)
 
Finally...a military history nut that knows even more than I.

(drawing my cutlass and giving you a fine spit & polish parade ground sword salute)

I kind of backed into the history of Afghanistan years ago when I was studying the Mongol Empire, and it's disintigration. The SW group after the civil war was known as the Ilkhanate, and controlled from what is now modern Pakistan, all the way West to include most of modern Turkey. And even though they later adopted Islam and eventually melted into the later kingdoms, much of their culture remained.

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Like most of the Afghan Kings calling themselves "Khan".

But as the Mongol Empire broke up, I followed some of the various groupings as they themselves then disintegrated into areas closer to our modern nations.
 
The Durrani Empire didn't even last a hundred years, it was preceded by a smattering of quasi-independent emirates, and other various entities. The Durand Line is a serious and legitimate problem for the future of Afghan-Pakistan relations, but to pretend that these regions were always joined at the hip simply isn't true.

I was just explaining the reason for the split amongst the mujaheddin, im sure that the emir of durrani didn't treat their citizens all that better than the british treated theirs, the borders however of afghanistan today weren't the result of ethnic conflict between empires or clans or tribes, as a former colony the current borders (which are still in dispute) were drawn by foreign colonial powers, between the soviet union england and the USA, the actual people living in afghanistan had the least say in how their borders were drawn (iraq too) therefore the people in that region have always wanted to rid themselves of those borders, thats why just like ISIS today the mujahadeen in afghanistan were largely motivated by uniting themselves under a former empire.... similair to hitler and the holy roman empire
 
Hey, Commie. I ALSO have a communist flag. It is hanging in my closet.
I got it as a war trophy for blowing the bottom out of a RUSSIAN (USSR-type) gunboat that was helping with the ethnic cleansing.
We took the USSR Russian crew off, the Sgt Maj got the compass, the demo guy got the bell, and I hauled down its commission pennant, then blew it all to hell., after salvaging all the weapons off of it.
NO COMMUNIST can say anything to anyone about being morally just.
You COMMUNIST are the worst of the lot. Even Hitler was not as bad as Stalin.
You have no room to say anything about any country's actions when those that fly your flag are the absolute worst tyrants in modern history.

I laugh my ass off when I see COMMUNISTS try and point the finger at other people and countries, and say how bad they are.

Read about your own history.

calm down cotton hill
 
Hey, Commie. I ALSO have a communist flag. It is hanging in my closet.
I got it as a war trophy for blowing the bottom out of a RUSSIAN (USSR-type) gunboat that was helping with the ethnic cleansing.
We took the USSR Russian crew off, the Sgt Maj got the compass, the demo guy got the bell, and I hauled down its commission pennant, then blew it all to hell., after salvaging all the weapons off of it.
NO COMMUNIST can say anything to anyone about being morally just.
You COMMUNIST are the worst of the lot. Even Hitler was not as bad as Stalin.
You have no room to say anything about any country's actions when those that fly your flag are the absolute worst tyrants in modern history.

I laugh my ass off when I see COMMUNISTS try and point the finger at other people and countries, and say how bad they are.

Read about your own history.

:shock::screwy:popcorn::cuckoo:
 
But the article dives into the history that we like to glance over in history class... The US has a long history of supporting narco-states, fascists, other brutal dictators, and terrorist states (could be argued that the USA might be one itself). Usually this was done in the name of "anti-communism" but now its done in the name of "fighting the war on terror" and "spreading liberty and democracy".
 
I'm disappointed Canada isn't on the list - always wondered what it was like to be a bad boy.
 
I no longer read any posts by that individual, but that absolutely made my jaw drop.
that might be a good idea your getting dangerously close to genocide apologia, and nobody wants that

Really? Backing the Durrani Empire?

An empire that was highly expansionist, and through force took over territory in what is now Iran and Pakistan?

Which had invaded India no less then 6 times? Primarily taking any riches it could find and destroying temples before returning to modern Afghanistan?

While somebody in here commented on how 13,000 or so was a "holocaust" upon people based upon politics, the Durrani had attempted no less then 2 actual genocides against the Sikhs. One in 1746, another in 1762. Both times in territory which is deep inside even modern day India (in the India of that era Pakistan was also part of it). Estimated death tolls were somewhere around 50,000, roughly half of the Sikh population at the time.

Now I noticed the reference to the Anglo-Afghan Wars. There were actually 3 of them.

The first was in 1839, which came about because the British refused to support the Afghans in an attack against the Sikhs, so they instead offered to allow the Russians to pass through their territory to invade India.

The second was in 1878. This started when a British envoy to the Afghan Empire was refused entry then fired upon. This caused the British to bring forces to the border, then invaded. They agreed to a cease fire and started to withdraw in mid-1879 once they agreed to accept a British envoy. However, in September of 1879 uin Kabul the British Envoy was killed, along with all of his guards and staff. This reignited the conflict, and the British withdrew when a more open government replaced the former one.

The final one was in 1919, when a new Khan of Afghanistan decided to invade India because they were not allowed to participate in the Versailles Peace Talks.

And did you notice that the accepted border is the "Durrand Line", and not the "Durrani Line"? It is named after Sir Mortimer Durrand, a British diplomat. It had no connection to the Durrani Empire, that empire had ceased to exist way back in 1826.

Funny how some people will scream out about the death of around a dozen thousand, then scream that a group that had killed scores of thousands were innocent victims of Imperialism.

But please, I encourage everybody to research the various Anglo-Afghan Wars, and the Durrani Empire. One of the first true "modern Genocides". The protection that the British gave to the Sikhs in that time is one reason even to this day that they have long supported the UK. The 3 most feared groups of British Empire fighters for over a century were the the Gurkhas, and the Sikhs. Both were fiercly loyal to the Empire, because both recognized that they could each have been destroyed, but were instead saved and brought in as allies when they lost wars with them. That kind of "peace" after a war was almost unknown in that area of the world, and earned the repect and honor of their former adversaries.
just as in argentina they backed whatever group wanted to destroy the major power at that time, they wouldve slaughtered every ghurka and sikh in the world if they were ruling at that time. if the british honored their indian brothers so much they wouldnt have committed atrocities like repeated ethnic cleansings against them.

What was the official US and UK opinion on the 1971 Bangladeshi genocide murdering millions? iirc nixon called indira ghandi an "old bitch" and re-opened relations with china hoping they would help commit the genocide??
 
that might be a good idea your getting dangerously close to genocide apologia, and nobody wants that

just as in argentina they backed whatever group wanted to destroy the major power at that time, they wouldve slaughtered every ghurka and sikh in the world if they were ruling at that time. if the british honored their indian brothers so much they wouldnt have committed atrocities like repeated ethnic cleansings against them.

What was the official US and UK opinion on the 1971 Bangladeshi genocide murdering millions? iirc nixon called indira ghandi an "old bitch" and re-opened relations with china hoping they would help commit the genocide??

Reopened Chinese relations hoping they would commit genocide?

Citation?
 
It has been established for decades that elements of the federal government are a criminal organization, especially CIA, DEA and others. Now comes the War On Terror, and they are diggin' it.
 
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