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Who was the first Republican in America:

Moot said:
From the Encyclopedia Britannica...


Democratic-Republican Party
originally (1792–98) Republican Party

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total liberal lie!!$10,000 if true!! Bet??​
 
James972 said:
total liberal lie!!$10,000 if true!! Bet??
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Wow, you must be rich! You already owe me ten grand, and now you're willing to throw another ten large out the window!

So, can you prove that it's a "total liberal lie"? as you've so eloquently put it...
 
James972 said:
sure he did!! there were 1000's of morons in history who had absurd rationales for centralized power. Our Founders made them all illegal here!! This is what Jefferson meant when he stopped history and said, "now there is something new under the sun."
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Well, Jefferson never really said that. He was writing to Joseph Priestley in 1801:

From Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, 21 March 1801

From Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, 21 March 1801

...t is with heartfelt satisfaction that, in the first moment of my public action, I can hail you with welcome to our land, tender to you the homage of it’s respect & esteem, cover you under the protection of those laws which were made for the wise & the good like you, and disclaim the legitimacy of that libel on legislation which under the form of a law was for sometime placed among them.2 as the storm is now subsiding & the horison becoming serene, it is pleasant to consider the phaenomenon with attention. we can no longer say there is nothing new under the sun. for this whole chapter in the history of man is new. the great extent of our republic is new. it’s sparse habitation is new. the mighty wave of public opinion which has rolled over it is new. but the most pleasing novelty is it’s so quickly subsiding, over such an extent of surface, to it’s true level again. the order & good sense displayed in this recovery from delusion, and in the momentous crisis which lately arose, really bespeak a strength of character in our nation which augurs well for the duration of our republic, & I am much better satisfied now of it’s stability, than I was before it was tried.
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On Prietstley;
Joseph Priestley is best remembered for his pioneering work in chemistry and in particular for the discovery of oxygen. But he was also a prolific theologian, an innovative educator, and a liberal political philosopher.
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About Joseph Priestley « Joseph Priestley House

I guess now you owe Thomas Jefferson $10,000
 
James972 said:
its uber liberal like MSM and universities. Don't you have an intelligent questions?
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so wikipedia, the media, and all the universities are conspiring together? to do what exactly?
 
James972 said:
sure he did!! there were 1000's of morons in history who had absurd rationales for centralized power. Our Founders made them all illegal here!! This is what Jefferson meant when he stopped history and said, "now there is something new under the sun."
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Actually, Madison and Alexander Hamilton were Federalists and favored a strong central government...and they wrote the Federalist Papers that helped to convince the states to ratify the constitution which was the framework for a strong central government. However, Jefferson who was in France at the time, did not favor a strong central government...but through correspondence, Madison was confident that Jefferson would've voted for it....if...if it included a Bill of Rights...

"..Madison immediately put to use the books he received from Paris and wrote to Jefferson from Montpelier, "Since I have been at home I have had leisure to review the literary cargo for which I am so much indebted to your friendship. The collection is perfectly to my mind."12 Madison was becoming more convinced that a stronger federal government was needed. Aided by the books received from Jefferson he compiled a paper, "Notes on Ancient and Modern Confederacies," and then a second essay, "Vices of the Political System of the United States."13 Through his careful study and preparation, Madison became a leading theoretician for constitutional reform, and it was Madison's ideas which formed the basis for the Virginia Plan, which in turn became the basis for the United States Constitution. Late in his life, when he was referred to as the "writer of the Constitution," he modestly replied, "You give me a credit to which I have no claim," and went on to say that the document "ought to be regarded as the work of many heads & many hands."14

Madison kept his colleague in Paris well informed on the proceedings of the Constitutional Convention, and their correspondence reveals one of the few disagreements between the two men. Jefferson felt Madison was overreacting in his efforts to curtail the states' powers, mending "a small hole by covering the whole garment."15 Jefferson also felt strongly about the addition of a bill of rights: "Let me add that a bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."16 However, even before receiving Jefferson's letter, Madison was realizing that a compromise would have to be reached for the constitution to be ratified and was shifting his view on the addition of a bill of rights. During the debates on the Constitution, Madison's regular correspondence with Jefferson allowed him to assert, "I believe, that were that gentleman now on this floor, he would be for the adoption of this constitution."17.."

https://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/james-madison​
 
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James972 said:
total liberal lie!!$10,000 if true!! Bet??
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Monticello.org is where Jefferson's papers and letters are stored. Still wanna bet?
 
James972 said:
sure he did!! there were 1000's of morons in history who had absurd rationales for centralized power. Our Founders made them all illegal here!! This is what Jefferson meant when he stopped history and said, "now there is something new under the sun."
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United States founding: 1776
Karl Marx birth: 1818

You owe me $10,000
 
James972 said:
Thomas Jefferson. He and James Madison founded the Republican Party in 1793 because they were concerned that the Federalists, led by Washington and Hamilton, favored big central government. When Jefferson had defeated the Federalists, who were never heard from again, he called it the Second American Revolution. It established that the first Revolution had been against all central government not just the central government of England. Our liberal culture keeps this vital information from us because it does not want us to know that Republicans, in effect, founded our country, and gave it the idea of freedom from govt that made it the greatest country in human history. Similiarly, the liberal culture does not want us to know that the Democratic Party had no place at the Founding and really is anti American Marxist at its core.
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jeez dude, you are killing me with your comments on this thread!!
 
Fun fact: in the first presidential election in which the Republican Party participated (1856), the party's platform called for federal infrastructure spending:

Resolved, That a railroad to the Pacific Ocean by the most central and practicable route is imperatively demanded by the interests of the whole country, and that the Federal Government ought to render immediate and efficient aid in its construction, and as an auxiliary thereto, to the immediate construction of an emigrant road on the line of the railroad.

Resolved, That appropriations by Congress for the improvement of rivers and harbors, of a national character, required for the accommodation and security of our existing commerce, are authorized by the Constitution, and justified by the obligation of the Government to protect the lives and property of its citizens.
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A big poke in the eye to Madison (who, of course, had founded a different party six decades earlier), given his famous 1817 veto of the Bonus Bill.
 
Kobie said:
United States founding: 1776
Karl Marx birth: 1818

You owe me $10,000
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can you say why you feel I owe you $10000? We'll hold our breath waiting for the libsocialist to explain.
 
Greenbeard said:
Fun fact: in the first presidential election in which the Republican Party participated (1856), the party's platform called for federal infrastructure spending:



A big poke in the eye to Madison (who, of course, had founded a different party six decades earlier), .
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If Jefferson and Madison did not found the Republican party in 1793 then why so afraid to say what party they did found?? What are you learning from your fear?
 
ernst barkmann said:
jeez dude, you are killing me with your comments on this thread!!
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please say if you disagree or agree and why or admit with your silence or attempts to change the subject you lack the ability to participate substantively.
 
James972 said:
please say if you disagree or agree and why or admit with your silence or attempts to change the subject you lack the ability to participate substantively.
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you have already embarrassed yourself several times in this thread, my piling on top of that will not change the course you have taken and your demise here.
 
ernst barkmann said:
you have already embarrassed yourself several times in this thread, my piling on top of that will not change the course you have taken and your demise here.
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nice attempt to change the subject!!
for 4th time: please say if you disagree or agree and why or admit with your silence or attempts to change the subject you lack the ability to participate substantively.
 
James972 said:
nice attempt to change the subject!!
for 4th time: please say if you disagree or agree and why or admit with your silence or attempts to change the subject you lack the ability to participate substantively.
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4th time?....i have only made 2 previous postings to you...

99% of the time i disagree with you
 
ernst barkmann said:
4th time?....i have only made 2 previous postings to you...
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nice attempt to change the subject!!
for 5th time: please say if you disagree or agree and why or admit with your silence or attempts to change the subject you lack the ability to participate substantively.
 
James972 said:
nice attempt to change the subject!!
for 5th time: please say if you disagree or agree and why or admit with your silence or attempts to change the subject you lack the ability to participate substantively.
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it appears you cannot count properly
 
ernst barkmann said:
it appears you cannot count properly
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nice attempt to change the subject!!
for 6th time: please say if you disagree or agree and why or admit with your silence or attempts to change the subject you lack the ability to participate substantively.
 
James972 said:
nice attempt to change the subject!!
for 6th time: please say if you disagree or agree and why or admit with your silence or attempts to change the subject you lack the ability to participate substantively.
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lets see, you cannot count and you cannot see where i disagreed with you.....oh thats bad!
 
jet57 said:
So, can you prove that it's a "total liberal lie"? as you've so eloquently put it...
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sure, look at any primary documents from the era: speeches, newspapers, Congressional Record etc etc as I have and you will see that there were only Republicans and Federalists. This is perhaps the greatest liberal political conspiracy of our time.
 
James972 said:
can you say why you feel I owe you $10000? We'll hold our breath waiting for the libsocialist to explain.
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Well, why not? You owe me and Moot $10,00 a'piece,

Uh, no checks.
 
James972 said:
sure, look at any primary documents from the era: speeches, newspapers, Congressional Record etc etc as I have and you will see that there were only Republicans and Federalists. This is perhaps the greatest liberal political conspiracy of our time.
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What about Watergate?
 
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