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Myth: Hitler was a leftist.

HK.227 said:
I don't think so. Here is another example.


Fascism is defined by the abolition of civil rights, centralization of power, state controlled media, abolition of labor movements, rampant corruption, and fraudulent elections.
Conservative dogma stresses civil rights, separation of powers, free media, free labor, law and government designed to minimize corruption, and above all respect for lawful rule, including when people you don't like are in power.

This is pretty much level 100 history for anyone taking a course in the French Revolution, Conservatism, or Liberalism, take your pick.
So if your teacher also thought that fascism and conservatism are one and the same, then he was a drooling imbecile. But I very much doubt that he did so.
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Okay, so your capitualtion on my points of extreme right-wingism in this country is noted. Your fascism desciption sounds just like right-wing government to me.
And my thesis had nothg to with political parties whatsoever and my professor was/is a conservative. If you had an incling of knowledle on historical matters, the thesis of my paper, it would make a great deal of sense to you. As for conservative dogma, our country has had all of those things right from the beginning and both liberal and conservative and non partisans (myself) have strived to mantain them. So, I don't what you're trying to get at.

The French revolution happened as a result of our own revolution. France had been struggling with a monarchy since Louis XIV so our own was very inspiring to them.
 
jet57 said:
Okay, so your capitualtion on my points of extreme right-wingism in this country is noted. Your fascism desciption sounds just like right-wing government to me.
And my thesis had nothg to with political parties whatsoever and my professor was/is a conservative. If you had an incling of knowledle on historical matters, the thesis of my paper, it would make a great deal of sense to you. As for conservative dogma, our country has had all of those things right from the beginning and both liberal and conservative and non partisans (myself) have strived to mantain them. So, I don't what you're trying to get at.
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Whether other political movements share some of the same ideas as Conservatism is beside the point. The point is that the things you described as conservative, are not, whether you place an "ultra-" in front of them or not.
The closest you can come is probably Pinochet, but he wasn't exactly a pure conservative, especially where it came to due process of law. I'd say he started out as a fascist and became a conservative later, starting with, market liberalization, reversal of nationalizations, and eventually permitting free elections, which to my knowledge he is the only tinpot dictator who has ever done.

jet57 said:
The French revolution happened as a result of our own revolution. France had been struggling with a monarchy since Louis XIV so our own was very inspiring to them.
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That's a bold claim, but let's leave it for another thread.
 
jet57 said:
No you can't: I never made such comparrison's and I defy to prove that I did.
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Um...yes, you did...

jet57 said:
Right-wing fascist tendencies include: my way or the highway. You are less than me because you don't believe as I believe.

Your religion is evil.

God and country will see us through!

Liberty!

And on and on it goes.
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apdst said:
Um...yes, you did...
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Those are modern day buz words and frazes used in right-wing propanda. In 1930s Germany it was all about the good German, strength, etc.

You're misinterpreting the post.
 
Hard Truth said:
Private statements were irrelevant and can not be verified. Hitler never criticized Christianity in a public statement. Some Nazis were occultists, but I have seen no evidence that Hitler was. Hitler was a Catholic who advocated "positive Christianity" and was supported by the Catholics and other Christians in Germany and the pope. He cited Jesus as an inspiration for hating Jews. The Nazis were overwhelmingly Christian and wore belt buckles with "God is with us" on them.
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From a religious angle, National Socialism was a Protestant (Lutheran) movement. The political strength of the nazis was in northern (Protestant) Germany and not in southern (Catholic) Germany.
The "positive Christianity" was an attempt to bridge the theological differences between Lutheran and Catholic church, by crushing that which made each distinct from the other.
 
jet57 said:
Those are modern day buz words and frazes used in right-wing propanda. In 1930s Germany it was all about the good German, strength, etc.

You're misinterpreting the post.
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And, you're crawfishin...
 
TeleKat said:
Capitalism is private ownership over the means of production. Socialism is common ownership over the means of production. If government controls the economy, that's still capitalism. Corporatist/crony capitalism, but still capitalism. Or, probably more accurately, fascism.

Socialism fosters common ownership over the means of production. This kind of system would put the power in the hands of the workers instead of capitalists/government. If the means of production isn't owned by the workers, it's not socialism.
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The workers owned the means of production in the USSR, East Germany ect ect. Yet many contemporary socialists deny that the USSR ect were socialist communities.
Socialism is much more than simply worker ownership.
 
BobbyO said:
The workers owned the means of production in the USSR, East Germany ect ect. Yet many contemporary socialists deny that the USSR ect were socialist communities.
Socialism is much more than simply worker ownership.
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Oh no they didn't. The state owned everything! Communism broke everyone down to the lowest common demoninator: the true "cog in the wheel'. I don't care what it said on paper, those people got three hots and a cot for their trouble and went where they were told "for the good of the state.
 
jet57 said:
Oh no they didn't. The state owned everything! Communism broke everyone down to the lowest common demoninator: the true "cog in the wheel'. I don't care what it said on paper, those people got three hots and a cot for their trouble and went where they were told "for the good of the state.
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The "paper" was the theory; the logical application of the theory the actual result.
 
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