Page 1 of 10 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 95

Thread: Stalin's Order No. 270

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Behind the Orange Curtain
    Last Seen
    04-25-19 @ 03:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    15,633

    Stalin's Order No. 270

    Stalin's War Against His Own Troops

    The Tragic Fate of Soviet Prisoners of War in German Captivity


    At dawn on June 22, 1941, began the mightiest military offensive in history: the German-led Axis attack against the Soviet Union. During the first 18 months of the campaign, about three million Soviet soldiers were taken prisoner. By the end of the conflict four years later, more than five million Soviet troops are estimated to have fallen into German hands. Most of these unfortunate men died in German captivity.

    A major reason for this was the unusual nature of the war on the eastern front, particularly during the first year -- June 1941-June 1942 -- when vastly greater numbers of prisoners fell into German hands than could possibly be accommodated adequately. However, and as Russian journalist Teplyakov explains in the following article, much of the blame for the terrible fate of the Soviet soldiers in German captivity was due to the inflexibly cruel policy of Soviet dictator Stalin.

    During the war, the Germans made repeated attempts through neutral countries and the International Committee of the Red Cross to reach mutual agreement on the treatment of prisoners by Germany and the USSR. As British historian Robert Conquest explains in his book Stalin: Breaker of Nations, the Soviets adamantly refused to cooperate:

    "When the Germans approached the Soviets, through Sweden, to negotiate observance of the provisions of the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war, Stalin refused. The Soviet soldiers in German hands were thus unprotected even in theory. Millions of them died in captivity, through malnutrition or maltreatment. If Stalin had adhered to the convention (to which the USSR had not been a party) would the Germans have behaved better? To judge by their treatment of other 'Slav submen' POWs (like the Poles, even surrendering after the [1944] Warsaw Rising), the answer seems to be yes. (Stalin's own behavior to [Polish] prisoners captured by the Red Army had already been demonstrated at Katyn and elsewhere [where they were shot]."

    Another historian, Nikolai Tolstoy, affirms in The Secret Betrayal:

    "Hitler himself urged Red Cross inspection of [German] camps [holding Soviet prisoners of war]. But an appeal to Stalin for prisoners' postal services received a reply that clinched the matter: 'There are no Soviet prisoners of war. The Soviet soldier fights on till death. If he chooses to become a prisoner, he is automatically excluded from the Russian community. We are not interested in a postal service only for Germans'."

    Given this situation, the German leaders resolved to treat Soviet prisoners no better than the Soviet leaders were treating the German soldiers they held. As can be imagined, Soviet treatment of German prisoners was harsh. Of an estimated three million German soldiers who fell into Soviet hands, more than two million perished in captivity. Of the 91,000 German troops captured in the Battle of Stalingrad, fewer than 6,000 ever returned to Germany.

    As Teplyakov also explains here, Red Army "liberation" of the surviving Soviet prisoners in German camps brought no end to the suffering of these hapless men. It wasn't until recently, when long-suppressed Soviet wartime records began to come to light and long-silenced voices could at last speak out, that the full story of Stalin's treatment of Soviet prisoners became known. It wasn't until 1989, for example, that Stalin's grim Order No. 270 of August 16, 1941 -- cited below -- was first published.



    Continue -> Stalin's War Against His Own Troops

  2. #2
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 11:48 AM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Stalin's Order No. 270

    Stalin was a brute. A necessary brute? That has always been up to debate.
    But by far he was no military genius.


  3. #3
    Better You = Better World
    Spartacus FPV's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Your Echochamber
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 03:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    14,852

    Re: Stalin's Order No. 270

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Stalin was a brute. A necessary brute?
    There has never been any such thing.
    Your group identity doesn't matter - Beliefs should be based on evidence - Socialism is responsible for over 200 million deaths
    Censorship, misrepresentations, straw men, incivility and violence are the tools of cowards who do not or cannot truly support their position.

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 02:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    60,458

    Re: Stalin's Order No. 270

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Stalin was a brute. A necessary brute? That has always been up to debate.
    But by far he was no military genius.
    *Rubs eyes* Good old Lenin nonsense right there.

  5. #5
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 11:48 AM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Stalin's Order No. 270

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    There has never been any such thing.
    There is very much a debate around this idea. Such as if Stalin was so brutal to his own people would they have in fact won WW2 with a less totalitarian brutal leader. Also there is very much a debate if the majority of the Middle East can infact be stable without autocratic or totalitarian leaders. Its very much up in the air for debate and the debate has been going on in history and political science.


  6. #6
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 11:48 AM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Stalin's Order No. 270

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    *Rubs eyes*
    Never said he was necessary. Just saying its a debate that has been going on for a very long time in the historical community.


  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 02:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    60,458

    Re: Stalin's Order No. 270

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Never said he was necessary. Just saying its a debate that has been going on for a very long time in the historical community.
    The crap you said is pretty much the same dumb ass belief Lenin had. Guess where that lead? Stalin.

  8. #8
    Better You = Better World
    Spartacus FPV's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Your Echochamber
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 03:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    14,852

    Re: Stalin's Order No. 270

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    There is very much a debate around this idea. Such as if Stalin was so brutal to his own people would they have in fact won WW2 with a less totalitarian brutal leader. Also there is very much a debate if the majority of the Middle East can infact be stable without autocratic or totalitarian leaders. Its very much up in the air for debate and the debate has been going on in history and political science.
    I don't... that isn't... what?
    Your group identity doesn't matter - Beliefs should be based on evidence - Socialism is responsible for over 200 million deaths
    Censorship, misrepresentations, straw men, incivility and violence are the tools of cowards who do not or cannot truly support their position.

  9. #9
    American
    cpgrad08's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Lakewood,WA
    Last Seen
    08-13-19 @ 09:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    5,436
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: Stalin's Order No. 270

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Stalin was a brute. A necessary brute? That has always been up to debate.
    But by far he was no military genius.
    Only necessary in that he shows what Communism always leads to.

  10. #10
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 11:48 AM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Stalin's Order No. 270

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The crap you said is pretty much the same dumb ass belief Lenin had. Guess where that lead? Stalin.

    Dear god no i didnt. I stated there is a debate in a historical community if Stalins leadership style was necessary for the Soviets to win WW2. Such as massive industrialization, throwing everything they had behind the war effort.
    Notice i didnt take a stand or you even ask me what my belief was.


Page 1 of 10 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •