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    Stalin. Falsehood on which spent Billions


    Stalin. From the notes of the conversation with AM Kollontai, November 1939: "Many of the cases of our party and people will be distorted and spat upon in the first place abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, seek to dominate the world, will be severely avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as raw materials appendage. And my name will also be slandered. Me will attribute a lot of atrocities....And yet, no matter how the events unfolded, but it will take time, and the eyes of the new generations will appeal to the business and the victories of our socialist fatherland. Year after year, will come the new generations. They again would lift the banner of their fathers and grandfathers, and will give us a proper full honor. Their future they will build on our past. "
    First I would try to tell the truth about Stalin. Expose the myths, the creation of Western propaganda about the "bloody dictator". But I thought that better than I. is can do Roosevelt, Churchill and other great men. Everyone probably knows how Churchill did not like communism, and he wanted to "strangle in the cradle." But, that's what he was talking about Stalin, get to know him - "There is more happiness for Russia was that in the years of hardship headed the Russian genius and unwavering leader Joseph Stalin. He was an outstanding personality, appeals to our cruel time in the period in which the leaking of his life. Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy, erudition and indomitable strength, sharp, tough, ruthless in business, and in the interview, which even I, brought up in the British Parliament, could not do anything to stop ... In his writings sounded gigantic force. This force is so great to Stalin that he seemed unique among the leaders of all time ... His influence on people's irresistible. When he entered the hall of the Yalta Conference, all of us, as if on cue, stood up. And, strangely, held hands at his sides. Stalin had a deep, devoid of any panic, logical and sensible wisdom. He was a past master in the hour of need to find a way out of the most desperate situation ... It was the man who destroyed his enemy hands of his enemies, make us who openly called imperialists fight against the imperialists ... It took Russia with a wooden plow and left it equipped with atomic weapons ... ".
    For those who may not know, I recall that Churchill - is the British Prime Minister in 1940-1945 and 1951-1955, respectively, which, together with Stalin was anti-Hitler coalition and fought against the Nazis
    Here's what he said about Stalin, U.S. President in 1933 -1945 years. Franklin D. Roosevelt - "This man knows how to act. His goal is always before his eyes. Working with him is a pleasure. He poses the question, who want to discuss and do not deviate. ".
    Very interesting view of Stalin at the time stated and Averell Harriman, the U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union during the WW2 - "He has a deep knowledge, a fantastic ability to delve into the details, mental alertness and amazingly keen understanding of human nature ... I found it better informed than Roosevelt, more realistic than Churchill, and in a certain sense, the most effective of the military leaders. "
    For those who like to blame Stalin for the "religious persecution" should very carefully examine the opinion of the then church leaders who knew the Generalissimo directly on business. See and think for yourself. Here's what he said about Stalin after his death in 1953, the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexy I, - «Great Leader of our nation Joseph Stalin died. Abolish the power of a great, social power, in which our people feel their own strength, which he led in his creative work and enterprise, which he was comforted for years. No area, which would not penetrate deep look great Leader ... As a man of genius, he is in every case revealed what was invisible and inaccessible to the ordinary mind. "
    Archbishop Luke, "" Stalin retained Russia showed what it means for the world. So I, as an Orthodox Christian and Russian patriot bow to Stalin. "
    Charles de Gaulle: "Stalin's name will always be associated with the memory of the great struggle that peoples of the USSR, the people of France and the allied nations brought together to victory." Herbert George Wells on Stalin: "I have never met a man more sincere, decent and honest, there is nothing dark and sinister, and it is these qualities should explain his tremendous power in Russia. I was thinking earlier, before you meet with him, maybe think of him badly because people were afraid of him. But I found that, on the contrary, no one is afraid of him, and all believe in him. "
    Cordell Hull, U.S. Secretary of State 1933-1944: "Stalin - an amazing person. He is endowed with extraordinary abilities and intelligence, as well as the ability to grasp the essence of practical issues. He's one of those leaders, along with Roosevelt and Churchill, on whose shoulders rests the responsibility of such, which does not know a single person in the next 500 years. " I intentionally wrote the statements of those people who can not be suspected of the love of the socialist system and the USSR. This is only a small part of quotes about Stalin.
    repressed. Example. Telegram Joseph Davis June 28, 1937 President Roosevelt (after completion of the trial of Tukhachevsky group):"While the outside world by printing believes that the process - is a fabrication + - we know that this is not the case. And maybe, well, that the outside world thinks so."
    Article by Joseph Davis for the newspaper "Sunday Express" in November 1942:"Suddenly, I was faced with such a picture, I had to see clearly even when he was in Russia. Much of the world believed at the time that the famous traitors and cleaning processes 1935 - 1938 years are outrageous examples of barbarism, ingratitude and a manifestation of hysteria. Currently, however, it became apparent that they showed remarkable foresight of Stalin and his associates." In the end it is best to speech
    Lord Beaverbrook, William Maxwell, Minister in the government procurement Churchill (1940-1945 gg.), A newspaper tycoon:" Communism under Stalin won the applause and admiration of all Western nations. Communism under Stalin gave us an example of patriotism, which is hard to find analogies in history. Communism under Stalin gave to the world the best generals. The persecution of Christians? No. There is no religious persecution. Churches open doors. Harassment nationalities? Not at all. Jews have lived there as well as all the rest. Political repression? But it is now clear that those who were shot, would have delivered Russia."

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    Re: Stalin. Falsehood on which spent Billions

    I don't know if to laugh or cry after reading this.
    First of all, it would be useful if you'd provide the links to the sources of all these quotes.

    Second, just a quick lazyman wiki search;
    "The Great Purge (Russian: Большая чистка, transliterated Bolshaya chistka) was a series of campaigns of political repression and persecution in the Soviet Union orchestrated by Joseph Stalin in 1937-1938. It involved the purge of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, repression of peasants, deportations of ethnic minorities, and the persecution of unaffiliated persons, characterized by widespread police surveillance, widespread suspicion of "saboteurs", imprisonment, and killings. Estimates of the number of deaths associated with the Great Purge run from the official figure of 681,692 to nearly 2 million."

    Political repression in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Third, a quick question for ya - if Stalin was such a genius why the **** the USSR got itself to a verge of total annihilation for the first 2-3 years of WWII?!?

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    Stalin. Falsehood on which spent Billions

    Isn't Stalin the guy who invented the phrase: "Purge unto others before they purge unto you"?

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    Re: Stalin. Falsehood on which spent Billions

    Who has time to read a post that long?

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    Re: Stalin. Falsehood on which spent Billions

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    I don't know if to laugh or cry after reading this.
    First of all, it would be useful if you'd provide the links to the sources of all these quotes.

    Second, just a quick lazyman wiki search;
    "The Great Purge (Russian: Большая чистка, transliterated Bolshaya chistka) was a series of campaigns of political repression and persecution in the Soviet Union orchestrated by Joseph Stalin in 1937-1938. It involved the purge of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, repression of peasants, deportations of ethnic minorities, and the persecution of unaffiliated persons, characterized by widespread police surveillance, widespread suspicion of "saboteurs", imprisonment, and killings. Estimates of the number of deaths associated with the Great Purge run from the official figure of 681,692 to nearly 2 million."

    Political repression in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Third, a quick question for ya - if Stalin was such a genius why the **** the USSR got itself to a verge of total annihilation for the first 2-3 years of WWII?!?

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    1) Do you want to link? There are many. https://www.google.com/ Input - the memoirs of the conversation with AM Kollontai, November 1939\\\Churchill's memoirs\\\Diary of Joseph Davis\\\"Fireside chats" - Franklin Roosevelt\\\Memoirs Averell Harriman.... Teach you how to use Google? 2) "Falsehood on which spent Billions" - it is not clear? Или требуют изменений наших сердцах? Heh-heh. 3) From a speech on the radio in April 1942 Franklin D. Roosevelt:" Need to always remember that the Russian army consume more manpower and equipment of the enemy than all the other twenty-five states of the Anti-Hitler alliance put together." Now you can laugh

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    Re: Stalin. Falsehood on which spent Billions

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    I don't know if to laugh or cry after reading this.
    First of all, it would be useful if you'd provide the links to the sources of all these quotes.

    Second, just a quick lazyman wiki search;
    "The Great Purge (Russian: Большая чистка, transliterated Bolshaya chistka) was a series of campaigns of political repression and persecution in the Soviet Union orchestrated by Joseph Stalin in 1937-1938. It involved the purge of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, repression of peasants, deportations of ethnic minorities, and the persecution of unaffiliated persons, characterized by widespread police surveillance, widespread suspicion of "saboteurs", imprisonment, and killings. Estimates of the number of deaths associated with the Great Purge run from the official figure of 681,692 to nearly 2 million."

    Political repression in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Third, a quick question for ya - if Stalin was such a genius why the **** the USSR got itself to a verge of total annihilation for the first 2-3 years of WWII?!?

    Fallen.
    Stalin was a political animal and a proficient backstabber. That's what he had going for him and in the communist structure, that helped him get power. I guess that denotes some kind of intelligence. However, it is not the kind of intelligence you want in a leader. Not the kind of intelligence you want from someone in power.

    Ofc, all you said is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tovarish View Post
    1) Do you want to link? There are many. https://www.google.com/ Input - the memoirs of the conversation with AM Kollontai, November 1939\\\Churchill's memoirs\\\Diary of Joseph Davis\\\"Fireside chats" - Franklin Roosevelt\\\Memoirs Averell Harriman.... Teach you how to use Google? 2) "Falsehood on which spent Billions" - it is not clear? Или требуют изменений наших сердцах? Heh-heh. 3) From a speech on the radio in April 1942 Franklin D. Roosevelt:" Need to always remember that the Russian army consume more manpower and equipment of the enemy than all the other twenty-five states of the Anti-Hitler alliance put together." Now you can laugh
    It isn't to up to the readers of your post to establish the credibility of what you write. That is your job. If you think you can't be bothered with it, imagine how unmotivated readers are to establish your claims. Between you and the person reading, who should have to be the one to take time to Google for your own claims?

    Links, or it didn't happen.

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    Re: Stalin. Falsehood on which spent Billions

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Stalin was a political animal and a proficient backstabber. That's what he had going for him and in the communist structure, that helped him get power. I guess that denotes some kind of intelligence. However, it is not the kind of intelligence you want in a leader. Not the kind of intelligence you want from someone in power.

    Ofc, all you said is true.
    The "free" encyclopedia "Wikipedia" has removed the article of the Russian researcher Boris Borisov, which is dedicated to assessing U.S. casualties as a result of the Great Depression of 1932-33. Based on the analysis of statistical data, Boris Borisov, in his article "Golodomor ad usum externum" estimated the number of victims of the financial crisis in the U.S. in more than 7 million people - and for the first time directly compared the incident to the United States in 1932-33 with starvation in the Soviet Union 1932-33. In his article, Borisov used the official data of the American Statistical Office. After considering the population of the United States, the dynamics of births and deaths, immigration and emigration, the author comes to a disappointing conclusion: for the famine of 1932-33 were missing more than 7 million lives. : -
    But it's pointless to write. As I understand it, you're smarter than Churchill and Roosevelt. Heh-heh.

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    Re: Stalin. Falsehood on which spent Billions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tovarish View Post
    The "free" encyclopedia "Wikipedia" has removed the article of the Russian researcher Boris Borisov, which is dedicated to assessing U.S. casualties as a result of the Great Depression of 1932-33. Based on the analysis of statistical data, Boris Borisov, in his article "Golodomor ad usum externum" estimated the number of victims of the financial crisis in the U.S. in more than 7 million people - and for the first time directly compared the incident to the United States in 1932-33 with starvation in the Soviet Union 1932-33. In his article, Borisov used the official data of the American Statistical Office. After considering the population of the United States, the dynamics of births and deaths, immigration and emigration, the author comes to a disappointing conclusion: for the famine of 1932-33 were missing more than 7 million lives. : -
    But it's pointless to write. As I understand it, you're smarter than Churchill and Roosevelt. Heh-heh.
    Tovarishka, I don't use wikipedia to get my info.
    You should stop listening to propaganda.

    Also, golodomor. I don't know what that is... I know a holodomor which was the Ukrainian famine.

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    Re: Stalin. Falsehood on which spent Billions

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It isn't to up to the readers of your post to establish the credibility of what you write. That is your job. If you think you can't be bothered with it, imagine how unmotivated readers are to establish your claims. Between you and the person reading, who should have to be the one to take time to Google for your own claims?

    Links, or it didn't happen.
    My friend, I was not going to convince anyone. Who wants to check - let check. If you do not like what I write, let him read McCain and the "wiki". Or is that so hard to read the "fireside chats" of Franklin D. Roosevelt, for example? Heh-heh.

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