chinese pyramids

l had started a thread about it but cant find now . l havent reached very objective informations yet ( l need more academic sources ) but searched some other sources about it .

the history written from the western perspective can be destroyed if the secret of these pyramids comes into open .


Despite repeated accounts and rumors of large ancient pyramids in China, archaeologists and bureaucrats have long refused to acknowledge their presence. Their existence isn’t mentioned in Chinese schools and they are considered a state secret.




But the significance of the Chinese pyramids can’t be denied much longer.
“According to the few archeologists who have approached the site, these Chinese pyramids are located at the same latitude as the pyramids of Egypt,” she said. “And some walls of the 500-meter-high Pyramid of Uyghur are covered with words in a proto-Turk language. These are indications that these structures aren’t just tombs for the ancient kings of the region, as some people speculate, but much older structures that share a common origin with the world-famous pyramids of Egypt and Central America.”


Chinese pyramids adding to the numerous evidence that an advanced civilization existed on Earth more than 10,000 years ago - Raelianews

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thats why l feel l am right although l know l need more scientific informations.
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Gene matlock is wrong but wiki is right






[Author of What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?]

ave you ever wanted to know what mankind’s civilizations looked like before the Great Flood? At last you can. They’re being uncovered right now in Turkey and other parts of Central Asia.

We humans have been wrongly conditioned to regard such countries as Sumeria, Greece, Egypt, and China as the parents of all human civilizations. But Archeologists in Turkey and Central Asia are now finding extensive ruins of ancient civilizations predating the Great Flood by ten thousand years and even more! We are even finding out, through digs in Iran and other places, that there was not one “Noah’s Ark,” but perhaps many more. Other “Noah’s Arks” are waiting to be discovered.





According to the ancient legends of the world, the North Pole was not the barren wasteland of ice and snow that it is now. The weather there was always mild and inviting. Food was always in plentiful supply. The Hyperboreans possessed scientific technologies so simple to learn and apply that even children could master them. .



Our Bible calls this Hyperborean paradise Eden. But Eden is just the original word for the Russian and Siberian Steppes. Unfortunately, their earthly paradise was doomed to extinction. A huge cataclysm, perhaps a devastating meteorite crashing into the earth, caused this globe to change its orbital patterns. Hyperborea turned into an icy hell. The Hyperboreans then fled to what are now Turkey and the other central Asian republics. Legends have it that they were all united in a large Turkish confederation called Tannu Tuva

See the map of Tannu-Tuva below, before it was divided into many other nations. As you can see, it covered a wide area, including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Persia, Iraq, and other Central Asian nations.



Their confederation finally fell apart. Perhaps this was the time when Greece decided to go its on way and turn its back on its Turkish brothers forever. We know them now as Tajikstan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kurustan (today’s Turkey), Kyrgizstan, Uzbekistan, and other nations whose names end in “stan.” Don’t forget: the “stans” derive from “su-tannu”.

Later, a devastating flood in what is now called Altai made the area even more inhospitable. From there they spread deep into India, adding their genius to a highly developed civilization that was already there.




Compare the following Turkish habitations with their American counterparts. You ,may have observed that the Navajo hogans (yurts) aren’t made of felt. That’s because the original Navajo settlers had no domesticated animals.
http://www.mondovista.com/rewrite.html

Our Bible calls this Hyperborean paradise Eden.

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Science is clear. The agricultural revolution occured ~15k years ago, at the end of the mini ice age. This was when humans first realized that we could plant seeds and harvest, thus settle down.

All obvious evidence points towards this agricultural revolution occuring in the Fertile Crescent and then spreading from there. Given the location of the agricultural revolution, it becomes apparent that the Biblical account and that of archeologists/anthropologists coincide with the foundations of civilization spreading from the Fertile Crescent and not from the North Pole.

Is it possible that another agricultural revolution occured in China around the same time or even before? Yes, but language flow models do little in the way of empirical support for that theory and there is no other empirical evidence.

Lastly, there is no evidence of a major impact in the last 100k years. Certainly nothing that could have altered the Earth's orbit.

Medusa said:

the significance of the Chinese pyramids can’t be denied much longer.

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If only because nobody ever tried to deny it.

Some particular reports from Mao's China had been met with skepticism - could be a part of the wild shouvinistic propaganda of those days - but that's natural.

Everyone is familiar, I think, with the iconic image of terracotta warriors from the Qin Shi Huang Mausoleum. The mausoleum is sitting under an 80-meter burial mound (kurgan), and the whole thing could be described as a "pyramid".

Re-writing of history doesn't seem very likely at this point, simply because the very earliest of these "pyramids" are pretty new: the tomb of King Ling of the Zhou dynasty is one of the first, and Ling was a contemporary of Confucius, 6 century BC. The Egyptian pyramids go all the way to the middle of the 3rd millenium.

Stone burial mounds in general are nothing unsual all over Eurasia, oldest dating from the early 5th millenium BC - the Tumulus of Bougon in France, for example.

Medusa said:

the history written from the western perspective can be destroyed if the secret of these pyramids comes into open .

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How so?

Ben K. said:

How so?

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it is not a problem for me .it doesnt differ for me if sumerian culture and chinese pyramids were originated from turcic people but the european usually believes turks were barbarian .l understand them .they have to trace their roots to ancient greek culture because they dont have their own roots . in fact not every civilization established in anatolia was greek .tahts why they wrote teh history from their own perspective and thought turks were barbarian as if they were more civilized.l hate reminding people of the fact of bosnia. but it is their shame..



lets keep looking at some passages about this study



Gene matlock is a not a person paid for by turkish lobbies so relax .):lol:

Were the ancient Turks, Akkads (Sumerians) and Dravidians (Tamils) the parents of Mexico and Meso-America?


Right: A beach in the Konkan.] The time is about 1,500 BC. A fleet of Tamil ships in some harbor of the Konkan or Kankon, a beautiful white sand coastline stretching from todayÃ*s Maharasthra to the southern tip of Western India, raises anchor and sails south to what is now the large island nation of Ceylon (todayÃ*s Sri Lanka). Their goal is to sail to Patala or what is now Mexico and Meso-America, leaving emigrant settlers there. During their stay in Ceylon, they recruit skilled stone workers, skilled craftsmen, and temple builders in the province of Maya, to build a new Tamil civilization over or alongside an Akkad-type (Sumerian) civilization that was already in Meso-America: that of the Olmecs or Olman.




Before continuing with this article, I must clarify who the Phoenicians really were. I first learned about these people who settled the earth, about whom modern man knows nearly nothing, from the 19th century British Orientalist George RawlinsonÃ*s book, Phoenicia. He was considered as the leading authority on these hardy mariners. But even he was off base. He said that the Phoenicians had no definite homeland but occupied trading ports all over the Middle East. In the Western hemisphere, they were called Puni but did not usually answer to that name. Furthermore, he said they were a Mediterranean people. Yet, in studying Hindu history, I discovered that they also existed in Central Asia and India. But there, they were called Pani. Not even in India did they call themselves Pani.



the original Phoenicia was Anatolia (Turkey) and Bulgaria. Greece was at one time a part of Phoenicia but later broke away. Even now the Greeks are a great sea people as are the Turks.


Many of the post-flood tribes had been reduced to savagery. The Aryans or Kurs (Turks) could not rehabilitate them. A Bulgarian king, known in Indian mythology as the god of gold, good fortune and treasure, Kubera (Khyber, Kheever, or the biblical Heber) decided to banish them to Lanka. He and his followers, the Yakhus or Yakshas, thought they would thrive more peacefully in that fertile, tropical country. However, not even there would they civilize themselves. With the exception of the Mayans of Altai and some Huna (Hunnish or Mongol) tribes, most of the incorrigible nomadic tribes, called Rakshasas and Pisacas, preferred to exist in the depths of degradation.

Ancient Turks: Who Brought the Mayans to Mexico?

Sorry, science disagrees with you.

Human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

spud_meister said:

Sorry, science disagrees with you.

Human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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l know we are all africans . but it doesnt change the other facts about ancient cultures spud.

l think l am clear enough. europeans think western civilization is superior . it is false.......

trojans seem to be turkish more than greek ,for instance..

Medusa said:

l know we are all africans . but it doesnt change the other facts about ancient cultures spud.

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Yes it does, mitochondrial DNA proves that the Tamils and Sumerians couldn't have settled in Southern and Central America. Or that the Turks and and other peoples of Central Asia all came from the Arctic Circle.

l think l am clear enough. europeans think western civilization is superior . it is false.......

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How do historical settlement patterns dictate superiority? And how is your attempt to paint Turks as superior any less false?

trojans seem to be turkish more than greek ,for instance..

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That's probably because Troy was in Turkey.

A few corrections. We aren't all africans. Africans are africans. We are of different races. Just because the starting line is somewhere doesn't mean the finishing line is there too.

Western civilization is superior to any and all other civilizations. This is proven by the fact that all nations that have westernized properly are prosperous, or are entering prosperity, and all nations who adopted any other non-western model, didn't.

Take Japan, it is the best example.
japan in the 1850s was a feudal society with a slow innovation rate, mainly working on perfecting what they had (which is not quite innovation). Feudal japan is a perfect contrast to Feudal Europe whom, like Japan, had different cultures clashing with one another. One in one area you had countries... and in the other you had clans. But the loyalty and sense of identity is equally as strong.

But in the second half of the XIXth century, the Meiji revolution started. Why? Because Japs who went and studied abroad, in Europe and the USA, have come to realize the benefits western society had to offer and also, the imense wealth that the industrial revolution produced for western nations, enabling them to sustain colonies at great expense.

So these enlightened people decided to put their money where their mouth was, made a revolution, won it, and then opened Japan to westernization and bam, 40 years later it was a world power, and the most independent and sovereign powerful nation in Asia.

Medusa said:

l know we are all africans . but it doesnt change the other facts about ancient cultures spud.

l think l am clear enough. europeans think western civilization is superior . it is false.......

trojans seem to be turkish more than greek ,for instance..

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Why would you think we are all Africans? :2wave: Here ya go gorgeous.....Check this out! Also are you familiar with Gopal Das?

Man's origins Asia, not Africa?.....

Bangkok - Fossils recently discovered in Myanmar could prove that the common ancestors of humans, monkeys and apes - known as anthropoids - evolved from primates in Asia, rather than Africa, researchers contend in a study released on Wednesday.

The 38 million-year-old pieces of jawbones and teeth are part of a growing body of evidence that is helping scientists to understand the origin of primates, said Dr Chris Beard, a palaeontologist at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh and a member of the team who found the fossils near Bagan in central Myanmar in 2005.

The findings were published in the Proceedings of The Royal Society B, a London-based peer-reviewed journal.

Beard and his team from France, Thailand and Myanmar concluded that the fossils - which they dubbed Ganlea megacanina - came from 10 to 15 individuals of a new species that belonged to an extinct family of Asian anthropoid primates known on Amphipithecidae. Wear and tear found on the canine teeth suggest the tree-dwelling, monkey-like creatures with long tails used their teeth to crack open tropical fruit to get to the pulp and seeds - behaviour similar to modern South American saki monkeys that inhabit the Amazon basin.

"Not only does Ganlea look like an anthropoid, but it was acting like an anthropoid 38 million years ago by having this feeding ecology that was quite specialised," Beard said.

His team determined that the fossil was 38 million years old, making it several million years older than any anthropoid found in Africa and the second-oldest discovered in Asia.

"This new fossil Ganlea definitely helps us argue - and we think the argument is pretty close to settled now - that when you go back this far in time, the common ancestor of monkeys, apes and humans was definitely in Asia, not in Africa," Beard said.

"There are no sites of comparable age in Africa... so we just can't tell what the real locus of anthropoid evolution at this time was," Groves told the Associated Press in an e-mail. "It could still have been Africa (but) most likely these proto-anthropoids were widespread throughout the old world tropics.".....snip~

Man's origins Asia, not Africa? | News24

MMC said:

Why would you think we are all Africans? :2wave: Here ya go gorgeous.....Check this out! Also are you familiar with Gopal Das?

Man's origins Asia, not Africa?.....

Bangkok - Fossils recently discovered in Myanmar could prove that the common ancestors of humans, monkeys and apes - known as anthropoids - evolved from primates in Asia, rather than Africa, researchers contend in a study released on Wednesday.

The 38 million-year-old pieces of jawbones and teeth are part of a growing body of evidence that is helping scientists to understand the origin of primates, said Dr Chris Beard, a palaeontologist at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh and a member of the team who found the fossils near Bagan in central Myanmar in 2005.

The findings were published in the Proceedings of The Royal Society B, a London-based peer-reviewed journal.

Beard and his team from France, Thailand and Myanmar concluded that the fossils - which they dubbed Ganlea megacanina - came from 10 to 15 individuals of a new species that belonged to an extinct family of Asian anthropoid primates known on Amphipithecidae. Wear and tear found on the canine teeth suggest the tree-dwelling, monkey-like creatures with long tails used their teeth to crack open tropical fruit to get to the pulp and seeds - behaviour similar to modern South American saki monkeys that inhabit the Amazon basin.

"Not only does Ganlea look like an anthropoid, but it was acting like an anthropoid 38 million years ago by having this feeding ecology that was quite specialised," Beard said.

His team determined that the fossil was 38 million years old, making it several million years older than any anthropoid found in Africa and the second-oldest discovered in Asia.

"This new fossil Ganlea definitely helps us argue - and we think the argument is pretty close to settled now - that when you go back this far in time, the common ancestor of monkeys, apes and humans was definitely in Asia, not in Africa," Beard said.

"There are no sites of comparable age in Africa... so we just can't tell what the real locus of anthropoid evolution at this time was," Groves told the Associated Press in an e-mail. "It could still have been Africa (but) most likely these proto-anthropoids were widespread throughout the old world tropics.".....snip~

Man's origins Asia, not Africa? | News24

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That's monkey's origins. Man's origin is still Africa.

The Sumerians are what is the known Oldest Civilization to write. Althought with the discovery of those older civilizations in around Pakistan and Turkey. This may not be the case. But lets go with them anyways.....

In that part of the Middle East called the Fertile Crescent, hunter-gatherers began planting gardens. By 7000 BCE there was farming, which required permanent settlement. By 4500 BCE, people archaeologists call Ubaidians were living in towns near where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers emptied into the Persian Gulf. The Ubaidians drained marshes. They grew wheat and barley and irrigated their crops by digging ditches to river waters. They kept farm animals. Some manufactured pottery. They did weaving, leather or metal work, and some were involved in trade with other societies.

By 4000 BCE to the south in Syria a society existed that had regional centers and a complex government. Here, as with the Ubaidians, people baked bread in huge ovens and manufactured fine pottery. In the year 2000 of modern times, at Tell Hamoukar, archaeologists discovered a protective city wall, and they described the place of their digging as more than a town. They described it as a city. And they found primitive hieroglyphics: markings for recording trade transactions.

It was around 4000 BCE that a people called Sumerians moved into Mesopotamia, perhaps from around the Caspian Sea. By 3800 BCE the Sumerians had supplanted the Ubaidians and Semites in southern Mesopotamia. They built better canals for irrigating crops and for transporting crops by boat to village centers. They improved their roads, over which their donkeys trod, some of their donkeys pulling wheeled carts. And the Sumerians grew in number, the increase in population the key element in creating what we call civilization -- a word derived from an ancient word for city.....snip~


Althought technically they were not the first.....the Ubaidians were. Which the Sumerians surplanted.



Books
Ancient Mesopotamia at the Dawn of Civilization: the Evolution of an Urban Landscape, by Guillermo Algaze, 2008
History Begins at Sumer, by Samuel Noah Kramer, 3rd Edition, 1989
The Sumerians -- Their History, Culture and Character, by Samuel Noah Kramer, 1971
Sumer and Sumerians, by Harriet Crawford, 1991
Babylonians, by H.W.F. Saggs, 1999 (Includes Ubaid period and the Sumerians to 500 BCE)
The Quest for Food: Its Role in Human Evolution & Migration, by Ivan Crowe, 2000.....snip~

The Sumerians

spud_meister said:

That's monkey's origins. Man's origin is still Africa.

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Man's origins Asia, not Africa?.....<<<<<What does that say? :roll:

Beard said the age of both fossils was the evidence he needed to challenge contentions that anthropoid primates had evolved in Africa, where Lucy, a 3.2 million-year-old fossil, was discovered in 1974.....snip~

MMC said:

Why would you think we are all Africans? :2wave: Here ya go gorgeous.....Check this out! Also are you familiar with Gopal Das?

Man's origins Asia, not Africa?.....

Bangkok - Fossils recently discovered in Myanmar could prove that the common ancestors of humans, monkeys and apes - known as anthropoids - evolved from primates in Asia, rather than Africa, researchers contend in a study released on Wednesday.

The 38 million-year-old pieces of jawbones and teeth are part of a growing body of evidence that is helping scientists to understand the origin of primates, said Dr Chris Beard, a palaeontologist at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh and a member of the team who found the fossils near Bagan in central Myanmar in 2005.

The findings were published in the Proceedings of The Royal Society B, a London-based peer-reviewed journal.

Beard and his team from France, Thailand and Myanmar concluded that the fossils - which they dubbed Ganlea megacanina - came from 10 to 15 individuals of a new species that belonged to an extinct family of Asian anthropoid primates known on Amphipithecidae. Wear and tear found on the canine teeth suggest the tree-dwelling, monkey-like creatures with long tails used their teeth to crack open tropical fruit to get to the pulp and seeds - behaviour similar to modern South American saki monkeys that inhabit the Amazon basin.

"Not only does Ganlea look like an anthropoid, but it was acting like an anthropoid 38 million years ago by having this feeding ecology that was quite specialised," Beard said.

His team determined that the fossil was 38 million years old, making it several million years older than any anthropoid found in Africa and the second-oldest discovered in Asia.

"This new fossil Ganlea definitely helps us argue - and we think the argument is pretty close to settled now - that when you go back this far in time, the common ancestor of monkeys, apes and humans was definitely in Asia, not in Africa," Beard said.

"There are no sites of comparable age in Africa... so we just can't tell what the real locus of anthropoid evolution at this time was," Groves told the Associated Press in an e-mail. "It could still have been Africa (but) most likely these proto-anthropoids were widespread throughout the old world tropics.".....snip~

Man's origins Asia, not Africa? | News24

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in fact tahts why l started this thread .maybe the modern science is wrong .what is the secret of those pyramids ?

WHY do chinese officials hide it from teh public ?

spud_meister said:

That's monkey's origins. Man's origin is still Africa.

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spud ,l agree but it doesnt change the fact that civilization started in asia.

Medusa said:

in fact tahts why l started this thread .maybe the modern science is wrong .what is the secret of those pyramids ?

WHY do chinese officials hide it from teh public ?

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What do you mean hide it from the Public?

MMC said:

What do you mean hide it from the Public?

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l mean they didnt inform their people of its existence


Despite repeated accounts and rumors of large ancient pyramids in China, archaeologists and bureaucrats have long refused to acknowledge their presence. Their existence isn’t mentioned in Chinese schools and they are considered a state secret.

Medusa said:

spud ,l agree but it doesnt change the fact that civilization started in asia.

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First Europeans Came From Asia, Not Africa, Tooth Study Suggests


Skull fragments from modern humans and the human ancestor Australopithecus include teeth—fossil features that can offer valuable clues to a species' genetic lineage. New analysis of more than 5,000 fossil teeth suggests that early humans from Asia, not Africa, were the first to colonize Europe.

Related: "Did Early Humans First Arise in Asia, Not Africa?" [December 27, 2005].)

"Asia was also an important center for hominid speciation," said Maria Martinón-Torres, a scientist at the National Research Center on Human Evolution in Burgos, Spain, who led the study.

The finding suggests that the hominid family tree could be much more complex than previously thought (explore an interactive atlas of human migration).

Nonetheless, the new study does complement direct gene studies and supports the idea that hominids evolved independently in many different parts of the world.

Read more: First Europeans Came From Asia, Not Africa, Tooth Study Suggests


Still agree? :shock:

Medusa said:

l mean they didnt inform their people of its existence


Despite repeated accounts and rumors of large ancient pyramids in China, archaeologists and bureaucrats have long refused to acknowledge their presence. Their existence isn’t mentioned in Chinese schools and they are considered a state secret.

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Do you mean they didn't inform their Poor and Uneducated? Are you certain that Sun Tzu, Sun Lin, or any others had never spoken of them?

We knew of the White Pyramid since 1947.

Genetic Safe

Species from the genus Australopithecus and the genus Homo arrived in Europe between two million and 300,000 years ago.

Until recently, a lack of fossils from this time period had made it difficult to piece together hominid evolution and migration patterns.

But using the latest fossil findings, Martinón-Torres and colleagues were able to examine more than 5,000 teeth from two-million-year-old Australopithecus and Homo skeletons from Africa, Asia, and Europe.

The shape of the teeth offered clues about each species' genetic lineages.....snip~


Read more: First Europeans Came From Asia, Not Africa, Tooth Study Suggests

Now we have an Older Genetic link.....and it is in Asia!

Medusa said:

it is not a problem for me .it doesnt differ for me if sumerian culture and chinese pyramids were originated from turcic people but the european usually believes turks were barbarian .l understand them .they have to trace their roots to ancient greek culture because they dont have their own roots . in fact not every civilization established in anatolia was greek .tahts why they wrote teh history from their own perspective and thought turks were barbarian as if they were more civilized.l hate reminding people of the fact of bosnia. but it is their shame..

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What are you talking about? Europeans don't claim they built pyramids, or that sumerians and chinese are descended from them.

Ben K. said:

What are you talking about? Europeans don't claim they built pyramids, or that sumerians and chinese are descended from them.

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you underrstand what l mean

Rainman05 said:

A few corrections. We aren't all africans. Africans are africans. We are of different races. Just because the starting line is somewhere doesn't mean the finishing line is there too.

Western civilization is superior to any and all other civilizations. This is proven by the fact that all nations that have westernized properly are prosperous, or are entering prosperity, and all nations who adopted any other non-western model, didn't.

Take Japan, it is the best example.
japan in the 1850s was a feudal society with a slow innovation rate, mainly working on perfecting what they had (which is not quite innovation). Feudal japan is a perfect contrast to Feudal Europe whom, like Japan, had different cultures clashing with one another. One in one area you had countries... and in the other you had clans. But the loyalty and sense of identity is equally as strong.

But in the second half of the XIXth century, the Meiji revolution started. Why? Because Japs who went and studied abroad, in Europe and the USA, have come to realize the benefits western society had to offer and also, the imense wealth that the industrial revolution produced for western nations, enabling them to sustain colonies at great expense.

So these enlightened people decided to put their money where their mouth was, made a revolution, won it, and then opened Japan to westernization and bam, 40 years later it was a world power, and the most independent and sovereign powerful nation in Asia.

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http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...033-eastern-origins-western-civilisation.html