Wahhabis

The United States has largely eliminated the infrastructure and operational
leadership of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network over the past five
years. However, its ideological offspring continue to proliferate across the
globe.

American efforts to combat this contagion are hamstrung by the fact that its
ideological and financial epicenter is Saudi Arabia, where an ostensibly
pro-Western royal family governs through a centuries-old alliance with the
fanatical Wahhabi Islamic sect. In addition to indoctrinating its own citizens
with this extremist creed, the Saudi government has lavishly financed the
propagation of Wahhabism throughout the world, sweeping away moderate
interpretations of Islam even within the borders of the United States itself.

The Bush administration has done little to halt this ideological onslaught
beyond quietly (and unsuccessfully) urging the Saudi royal family to desist.
This lack of resolve is rooted in American dependence on Saudi oil
production, fears of instability in the kingdom, wishful thinking about
democracy promotion as an antidote to religious extremism, and
preoccupation with confronting Iran.

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http://www.jmhinternational.com/new...iaWahhabismAndTheSpreadOfSunniTheofascism.pdf

i think nobody wants to understand what i am talking about,but i am telling the truth..........

No, you're absolutely right-- I just don't have anything else to say on the matter. The Forum Rules don't allow me to discuss my honest opinion about how we should handle Saudi Arabia.

Wahhabism is not a very friendly ideology and its unfortunate that the U.S. had provided Saudi Arabia with the wealth and power used to spread it. The problem is that Saudi Oil is a vital part of our economy and we are in no position to do without. The only practical solution is accept the current quid pro-quo relationship while simultaneously developing non-oil energy infrastructure at maximum speed.

Yeah! The solution is to just nuke Saudi Arabia! Add Iran also! Oh, and add Russia, China, everybody but Turkey! :lol:

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Proud South Korean said:

Yeah! The solution is to just nuke Saudi Arabia! Add Iran also! Oh, and add Russia, China, everybody but Turkey! :lol:

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no north korea

Medusa said:

i think nobody wants to understand what i am talking about,but i am telling the truth..........

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Don't physically fight it, expose it compared to real physical results that are exponents of every existential reality separting understanding into theaters of made to believe ideological realities ruled by semantics and syllogism of comparing theory against theology.

Fundamentalism is fundamentalism...regardless of core or sect. Saudi Arabia's social structure ensures that there will be people susceptible to the charlatan fundamentalist leaders...people who exist primarily for the rush of power. There is a social hierarchy within Saudi Arabia and and couple that with a mindset that elevation beyond your station in life is an affront to Allah...and...well...it isnt too hard to see why people are easily converted to the fundamentalist notions. The poorest Arab in SA is valued above the most lowly TCN...virtual slaves brought in from other countries to work for a pittance. defense and industrial contractors are slightly above the TCN. Next comes the poorest of the poor, followed by the wealthy business owners, and finally, royalty...LOTS of royalty...everyone is a cousin of a cousin of a spouse of a prince. In a separate and distinctly different level you find the religious police and the Bedouins. The governing royalty walks a delicate dance with the religious leaders, allowing for a certain level of control while maintaining civic/civil law and order.

Nothing is as simple as anyone wants to make it in the SA culture.

The rich are capitalists, invested in making mo money, mo money. They practice a forced religion only because they have to. The very poor practice the religion for a variety of reasons, but at the end of the day, when you have nothing and you have no hope of changing, it helps to have something to believe in. the fiery rhetoric of the fundamentalist Wahhabi is no different than the inflammatory rhetoric used by the Klan to attract po white folk, or the Nation of Islam, or any other fundamentalist christian sect. It is always the same...it contains promise of future riches by commitment to their principles and it creates enemies by blaming the oppressors...those 'responsible' for their ****ty, pathetic lives. the message is seldom, if ever about personal responsibility...and for two primary reasons. 1-Its not all that well received, and 2-when self reliance and growth is promoted, self esteem is the usual by-product and people become less easy to control.

Wassssaaaaabi!

Medusa said:

no north korea

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Why do you like the nKn regime?

i dont like but i dont hate,either.........

Medusa said:

i dont like but i dont hate,either.........

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You want it to remain as it is and in power.

is there a problem ???

You don't see a problem with the nK government?

ecofarm said:

You don't see a problem with the nK government?

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The root of all evil are the Saudis

ecofarm said:

You don't see a problem with the nK government?

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you dont see a problem with saudi regime?

Medusa said:

http://www.jmhinternational.com/new...iaWahhabismAndTheSpreadOfSunniTheofascism.pdf

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Wahhabis are hardly fanatical.. I lived around them for years and years.

They are opposed to Communism and terrorism...

Wahhab was opposed to the innovations in Islam that had been introduced by the Ottoman Empire.. so the Wahhabis are basically a return to simplicity.. think Calvanists... And, they wanted to rid the Arabian Peninsula of the Turkish garrisons.

Of course in the West, you have experts who only learned the word Wahhabi 10-12 years ago.. and they have misunderstood and demonized them.

Medusa said:

i think nobody wants to understand what i am talking about,but i am telling the truth..........

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Well, Curtin Winsor, Jr. was a minor US special envoy and he was in Arabia less than 3 years.

Wahhabis are leading the fight against terrorism in KSA.

rathi said:

Wahhabism is not a very friendly ideology and its unfortunate that the U.S. had provided Saudi Arabia with the wealth and power used to spread it. The problem is that Saudi Oil is a vital part of our economy and we are in no position to do without. The only practical solution is accept the current quid pro-quo relationship while simultaneously developing non-oil energy infrastructure at maximum speed.

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yes, except we DON'T develop non-oil energy. ever, it seems. biggest military mistake EVAH!

Wahhabiism= evil

sharon said:

Wahhabis are hardly fanatical.. I lived around them for years and years.

They are opposed to Communism and terrorism...

Wahhab was opposed to the innovations in Islam that had been introduced by the Ottoman Empire.. so the Wahhabis are basically a return to simplicity.. think Calvanists... And, they wanted to rid the Arabian Peninsula of the Turkish garrisons.

Of course in the West, you have experts who only learned the word Wahhabi 10-12 years ago.. and they have misunderstood and demonized them.

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sharon , wahhabis practise all the things against qoran and this is not a return to simplicity but a destroying of an original book,so they can never be like calvanists who had protested every illogical practice of catholic church which was against bible ,and as you see in the link ,wahhabis movement had began to take form in 18th century as a very bigoted fanatical ideology and their followers dont regard any other muslim groups as muslims and they see even muslims as an enemy against islam.

they dont even show respect to the graves of muhammed and other califs ,they hate all kind of fine arts and try to build a financial center around kabaa.

i have difficulty in understanding your supporting these family,as a westerner lady ,you seem incredible :roll:

Medusa said:

you dont see a problem with saudi regime?

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the Saudi regime is truly evil and I hate it, but, unlike the North Korean regime, they haven't starved 2 million or so of their own citizens to death.

Wiggen said:

the Saudi regime is truly evil and I hate it, but, unlike the North Korean regime, they haven't starved 2 million or so of their own citizens to death.

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yes, they have not brain ,but enough oil.....

Medusa said:

sharon , wahhabis practise all the things against qoran and this is not a return to simplicity but a destroying of an original book,so they can never be like calvanists who had protested every illogical practice of catholic church which was against bible ,and as you see in the link ,wahhabis movement had began to take form in 18th century as a very bigoted fanatical ideology and their followers dont regard any other muslim groups as muslims and they see even muslims as an enemy against islam.

they dont even show respect to the graves of muhammed and other califs ,they hate all kind of fine arts and try to build a financial center around kabaa.

i have difficulty in understanding your supporting these family,as a westerner lady ,you seem incredible :roll:

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I lived around them for nearly two decades.. You learn about people by interacting with them on a daily basis and how they treat foreigners and Christians .. people like me.

If they treat you with kindness, tolerance and hospitality.. you know.

There are thousands and thousands of Americans who have lived and worked in Arabia since 1940.. and they would agree with me.

Wiggen said:

the Saudi regime is truly evil and I hate it, but, unlike the North Korean regime, they haven't starved 2 million or so of their own citizens to death.

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There is NOTHING evil about them.. They are completely dedicated to the future economic and social progress of the Saudi people.

That's why they have their 6th five year program to develop infrastructure.. to include roads, health care, universities, desalination and power plants...over 300 dams to capture ground water and replenish aquifers, historic preservation...

That's why they have supported an explosion in downstream manufacturing in everything from auto parts to chandeliers to aluminum.. That's why they have encouraged small business development.. including fish and shrimp farms for the export market.

That's why they are still building new airports and railroads and port facilities..

That's why they have a proliferation of mining enterprises.. and are one of the largest producers and distributors of fertilizers in the world.

Saudi women apply for more business licenses in the kingdom than men.. They own and operate beauty shops, furniture stores, restaurants, publishing houses, clothing boutiques, shoe stores, art galleries and small factories. The oldest and most successful import business in Arabia (rice and dates) is owned and managed by a woman.

You will never learn anything about Arabia from hate sites..