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Health Care Question

ptif219 said:
So you still want to avoid my point and try to throw it back at me?
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What exactly do you want from me. You're acting like my wife. Just ask your question.

You said you don't like government numbers. I don't know of any others. Do you? You act like you know what this bill will cost, so you must have some numbers somewhere. But I can't help you any more.
 
Conservative said:
You are absolutely unreal. You said that the healthcare bill was deficit neutral and the only place you could have gotten that information was from the CBO. No you didn't say CBO but I knew where you got the information as it was the only place a scoring had occurred.
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I did say CBO. I cited CBO. I cited it again, in the above post.

YOU are the one who is unreal. I tell you things over and over and it's like you don't even read them.

I really suggest you learn to read and comprehend what you post. CBO posted two sets of numbers, one with 10 years of taxes and 6 years of so called benefits then came back with 10 years of both. Guess which one came in at a lower cost?
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And I addressed that point too. But now I know that even if I go back and post it again, you still won't notice. There's no point.

CBO numbers are only as good as the information given them and history says both are wrong
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For the ninth time - YOU posted CBO numbers FIRST.

You have a serious problem.
 
Cassandra said:
The medicare prescription drug benefit has cost less than expected.
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Ouch.

Thanks, I forgot about that one. Details:

For Immediate Release: Thursday, August 14, 2008
Contact: CMS Office of Public Affairs
202-690-6145


LOWER MEDICARE PART D COSTS THAN EXPECTED IN 2009
BENEFICIARY SATISFACTION REMAINS HIGH

As Medicare’s Part D prescription drug program enters its fourth year, beneficiary satisfaction rates remain high, program costs remain lower than originally expected, and Medicare prescription drug plan bids reflect nationwide drug price trends, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) announced today.

Based on the bids submitted by Part D plans, CMS estimates that the average monthly premium that beneficiaries will pay for standard Part D coverage in 2009 will be $28. This is about 37 percent lower than originally projected when the benefit was established in 2003.

LOWER MEDICARE PART D COSTS THAN EXPECTED IN 2009
 
misterman said:
What exactly do you want from me. You're acting like my wife. Just ask your question.

You said you don't like government numbers. I don't know of any others. Do you? You act like you know what this bill will cost, so you must have some numbers somewhere. But I can't help you any more.
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Admit The CBO will be wrong and it will cause a deficit, past history of government estimates show this.
 
ptif219 said:
So then why is it going broke? Why did Clinton have to tax us for it?
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What are you talking about? This is the program Bush passed, after Clinton. Medicare Part D. You know, that big government takeover of health care that Bush and the Republicans.
 
misterman said:
Ouch.

Thanks, I forgot about that one. Details:

For Immediate Release: Thursday, August 14, 2008
Contact: CMS Office of Public Affairs
202-690-6145


LOWER MEDICARE PART D COSTS THAN EXPECTED IN 2009
BENEFICIARY SATISFACTION REMAINS HIGH

As Medicare’s Part D prescription drug program enters its fourth year, beneficiary satisfaction rates remain high, program costs remain lower than originally expected, and Medicare prescription drug plan bids reflect nationwide drug price trends, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) announced today.

Based on the bids submitted by Part D plans, CMS estimates that the average monthly premium that beneficiaries will pay for standard Part D coverage in 2009 will be $28. This is about 37 percent lower than originally projected when the benefit was established in 2003.

LOWER MEDICARE PART D COSTS THAN EXPECTED IN 2009
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Is that the Bush program that Liberals say is a failure?
 
ptif219 said:
Admit The CBO will be wrong and it will cause a deficit, past history of government estimates show this.
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No.

If you want to argue that, go ahead. Post some evidence. I don't go admitting things without evidence. You know, evidence, like Medicare Part D. :rofl
 
ptif219 said:
Is that the Bush program that Liberals say is a failure?
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I don't know. I never said it was a failure. Is it?

All I know is it cost less than projected. But that's the topic, and you wouldn't want to stay on that would you?
 
misterman said:
No.

If you want to argue that, go ahead. Post some evidence. I don't go admitting things without evidence. You know, evidence, like Medicare Part D. :rofl
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Medicare Advantage Rates Could Go Up, While Part D 'Exceeding Expectations' - Kaiser Health News


Seniors on Medicare Advantage plans could pay more in premiums, while Medicare payments for drugs, dialysis and power wheelchairs get mixed reviews.

"Despite near-zero inflation and recessionary conditions, health insurers in 2010 face another year of double-digit increases in the charges they pay for hospital services, physicians, drugs, and other healthcare costs," U.S. News and World Report writes in a news column. Many insurers will raise premiums and co-pays or eliminate some coverage of certain expensive drugs, but "[t]he biggest percentage impact of the changes may be felt by the estimated 11 million older Americans with Medicare Advantage policies, according to Edward A. Kaplan," senior vice president at the Segal Co., which surveys cost trends at health and drug-plan providers annually.

Medicare Advantage plans are private Medicare plans, which "offer more benefits than regular Medicare," for an extra premium from consumers. The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services also pays the insurers extra money, but "that is changing. CMS decided earlier this year to raise the amount it pays to the Medicare Advantage plans by only 1 percent in 2010, Kaplan said. With the plans facing cost increases of nearly 10 percent, they either must reduce coverages, cut profit margins, or raise premiums." Kaplan says he has already begun to see "'dramatic rate increases' of 20 to 35 percent. 'These Medicare Advantage plans were a big bargain, and now that's going to go away'" (Moeller, 9/2).

Business Review West Michigan: "Medicare Advantage plans do a better job than their fee-for-service counterpart at keeping patients from returning to the hospital after they are discharged as well as keeping them out of the hospital and the emergency room, according to the results of a new study. The study by a Johns Hopkins University researcher, commissioned by the Alliance of Community Health Plans, found that the 30-day hospital readmission rate is 27 percent lower for Medicare Advantage enrollees than for people enrolled in traditional Medicare." The Business Review reports that the "difference comes in the ability of the private health plans that offer Medicare Advantage policies to focus on prevention and provide follow-up care after a patient goes home, rather than simply pay medical claims for a hospital stay"
 
misterman said:
I don't know. I never said it was a failure. Is it?

All I know is it cost less than projected. But that's the topic, and you wouldn't want to stay on that would you?
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Cost less? It is a plan covered by private insurance not the government.
 
ptif219 said:
Cost less? It is a plan covered by private insurance not the government.
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I was talking about Medicare Part D, dude.

You seem to be talking about the HC bill now. Are you saying that bill won't cost the government anything?
 
ptif219 said:
Cost less? It is a plan covered by private insurance not the government.
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If you are referring to Medicare Advantage plans, then yes, it is private insurers providing a benefit paid for ( subsidized) by the taxpayer- very much the way H.C. reform will set up an insurance exchange for individuals and small businesses to be able to buy into an approved group plan.
 
Cassandra said:
If you are referring to Medicare Advantage plans, then yes, it is private insurers providing a benefit paid for ( subsidized) by the taxpayer- very much the way H.C. reform will set up an insurance exchange for individuals and small businesses to be able to buy into an approved group plan.
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He has confused the topic three times in a row, I don't know if he knows what he's referring to.
 
Obamacare is going to set this country in a backward trend beyond imagination - just one small aspect of it is that medical manufacturing companies will have their products taxed more under Obamacare - geez, that's an insentive to produce health care products to help people - right.

It's all about socializing the country and stipping the country of it's business posture, it's foundation - the kissing Chavez's ass aspect of Obama ideology - we'll be like Russia was with a few "leaders" who have good pay and perks while the rest are in bread lines if the liberal nazis have their way.

Screw these liberal nazis - vote them out in 2010 and again in 2012.

Health care can be addressed without shoving a whole lot of socialistic crap down America's throat.

Vote for people with a brain and with a business sense for the American people - it's simple - vote the ABCD's of politics - Anybody But Corrupt Democrats.
 
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Tom Jones said:
Obamacare is going to set this country in a backward trend beyond imagination - just one small aspect of it is that medical manufacturing companies will have their products taxed more under Obamacare - geez, that's an insentive to produce health care products to help people - right.

It's all about socializing the country and stipping the country of it's business posture, it's foundation - the kissing Chavez's ass aspect of Obama ideology - we'll be like Russia was with a few "leaders" who have good pay and perks while the rest are in bread lines if the liberal nazis have their way.

Screw these liberal nazis - vote them out in 2010 and again in 2012.

Health care can be addressed without shoving a whole lot of socialistic crap down America's throat.

Vote for people with a brain and with a business sense for the American people - it's simple - vote the ABCD's of politics - Anybody But Corrupt Democrats.
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Your all over the place, which one do you want to talk about? :confused:
 
donc said:
Your all over the place, which one do you want to talk about? :confused:
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I stated my position - sorry that you are confused, but I can't help you with that one.
 
Cassandra said:
The medicare prescription drug benefit has cost less than expected.
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Cassandra, again you are making my point, competition and incentive work. Most liberal sponsored social programs, i.e. the Senate and House bill have no competition or incentive in them and thus are destined to have the same success as other liberal programs. Pointing out that programs with competition and incentive work is a step in the right direction.
 
Conservative said:
Cassandra, again you are making my point, competition and incentive work. Most liberal sponsored social programs, i.e. the Senate and House bill have no competition or incentive in them and thus are destined to have the same success as other liberal programs. Pointing out that programs with competition and incentive work is a step in the right direction.
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Oh. My. God.

You actually believe the things you say, don't you? You're not a joke sent to make conservatives look idiotic. You really believe that a huge, expensive government program that is working well proves your point - one that specifically does NOT allow the government to bargain for lower drug prices (i.e. use the power of the market).
 
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misterman said:
Oh. My. God.

You actually believe the things you say, don't you? You're not a joke sent to make conservatives look idiotic. You really believe that a huge, expensive government program that is working well proves your point.
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I believe that capitalism, competition, and incentive work and they do. You don't even understand the Prescription Drug program and the incentive provided in that bill thus the actual costs vs projected costs, Oh, my God, you are a legend in your own mind.
 
Conservative said:
I believe that capitalism, competition, and incentive work and they do. You don't even understand the Prescription Drug program and the incentive provided in that bill thus the actual costs vs projected costs, Oh, my God, you are a legend in your own mind.
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Really? Explain that to me, genius. This should be good.

Meanwhile, this is a huge government program. How exactly does it realy on capitalism, competition, and incentive? Explain that too.
 
Conservative said:
Cassandra, again you are making my point, competition and incentive work. Most liberal sponsored social programs, i.e. the Senate and House bill have no competition or incentive in them and thus are destined to have the same success as other liberal programs. Pointing out that programs with competition and incentive work is a step in the right direction.
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Well, I guess you will have to explain in what respect you see competition and incentive at work in Medicare advantage that would be different from the competition at work in a national insurance exchange as proposed in the H.C. bill.
 
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