Goldenboy219

You are so full of a bull**** agenda. Not only FOS, but you are giving out potentially harmful diet advice, so i would appriciate it if you would cut it out...

source 1

I have no idea where you get this "less than 10%" garbage but i have little doubt it comes from one of the very bias sources you seem to find. One should never heavily disrupt cholesterol homeostasis unless directed by a physician. You speak as if reducing the big three is a guarantee or necessary to prevent coronary heart disease.

Not to mention, genetics play a major role in obesity, heart disease, and high HDL levels.

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BTW, i am not, nor have not saying/said a high fat/calorie diet is to be a health requirement...

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donc

This study pretty well puts the nail in the low fat diet. When you look closely at the Atkins diet you will notice it is pretty much a high protein diet; I’m not saying that you cant get enough protein from a vegetarian diet, you just have to work harder at it, in other words mix and match.

<CBS/ AP) The Atkins diet may have proved itself after all: A low-carb diet and a Mediterranean-style regimen helped people lose more weight than a traditional low-fat diet in one of the longest and largest studies to compare the dueling weight-loss techniques.>


<In the cafeteria, the appropriate foods for each diet were identified with colored dots, using red for low-fat, green for Mediterranean and blue for low-carb.

As for breakfast and dinner, the dieters were counseled on how to stick to their eating plans and were asked to fill out questionnaires on what they ate, Stampfer said.

The low-fat diet - no more than 30 percent of calories from fat -- restricted calories and cholesterol and focused on low-fat grains, vegetables and fruits as options. The Mediterranean diet had similar calorie, fat and cholesterol restrictions, emphasizing poultry, fish, olive oil and nuts.

The low-carb diet set limits for carbohydrates, but none for calories or fat. It urged dieters to choose vegetarian sources of fat and protein.

"So not a lot of butter and eggs and cream," said Madelyn Fernstrom, a University of Pittsburgh Medical Center weight management expert who reviewed the study but was not involved in it.>



Study Tips Scales In Atkins Diet's Favor, Low-Carb Regimen Better Than Low-Fat Diet For Weight And Cholesterol, Major Study Shows - CBS News

tryreading

Your advice is great though, right? You said people needed to ingest a non-essential amino acid, and you said cholesterol is required in our diets. Both are completely wrong. I showed you the proof on your cholesterol claim, from 3 unbiased sources, and you evidently ignored it.

Feel free to show me what you think the protein content in human breast milk is. Anytime.

The rat study information you cite shows what happens when baby rats get a fraction of the protein they require. Obviously, that would be very bad for the health of the baby rats. Duh...

The same would happen to humans if you fed them a fraction of the protein they need. Again, duh.

But nobody here is saying humans should be protein-deprived, so the study you cite is irrelevant here.

tryreading

Makes sense...

Inducing ketosis is preferable to eating a proper diet...

Goldenboy219

The context of your sources is off base. Remember, the OP was in regards to children, and a non meat source of protein. So...

Surly you are aware that the composition of breast milk is entirely dynamic. Nice red herring attempt though.

Thats not fair

Are you saying that 8% is only a fraction? If so, then why do you contradict yourself by posting WHO guidelines?

And just to clear things up, the "pups" were not protein deprived, nor were they being fed anything other than the mother's milk. It was the lactating mothers that were fed either 20% protein or 8% protein. Newborns were nursed from either one of the other.

Where in the study were they protein deprived? Maybe you should try reading

None the less, i have a couple questions that i would like you to answer.

What role do fats, both saturated and non saturated, as well as cholesterol play in child brain development? Second, is it medically advised (not some quack vegan doctor either) to totally remove cholesterol and saturated fat from a child's diet?

Do remember the context of my questions (child) as it is on par with the OP.

tryreading

Dude, remember? From your own study:

The aim of this study was to investigate in rats the effect of early protein restriction, inducing low birth weight, on brain and endocrine pancreas vascularization at birth and to study if such alterations lasted until adulthood.

The pups were protein deprived by keeping the dam protein deprived.

(And, yes, for rats, 8% is a fraction. Rat's milk has a much higher protein content than human's. In your own study, the dams not protein deprived were given 20% protein, which is about the norm for them. The W.H.O. numbers I referred to concern people, not rats).



You won't like the following site either, because it is in agreement with what I've already said.

The Vegetarian Infant

The main sources of protein and nutrients for infants are breast milk and formula, especially in the first 6 months of life. Fruits and veggies should be introduced around 6 months. For parents who want to raise their infants as "semi-vegetarians" and serve poultry, meats don't come into the picture until around 9 months.

The American Dietetic Association recommends that once an infant is introduced to solids, protein-rich vegetarian foods can include pureed tofu, cottage cheese, and pureed and strained legumes (legumes include beans, peas, chickpeas, and lentils). Breastfed infant vegans should receive a source of vitamin B12, if the mother's diet isn't supplemented, and a source of vitamin D if sun exposure (which provides vitamin D) isn't adequate.

The Vegetarian Toddler

Toddlers are already a bit of a challenge when it comes to eating. As they come off of breast milk or formula around 1 year (although vegans often breastfeed longer), children are at risk for nutritional deficiencies. After the age of 1, strict vegan diets may not offer growing toddlers enough essential vitamins and minerals, such as vitamin D, vitamin B12, iron, calcium, and zinc. So it's important to serve fortified cereals and nutrient-dense foods, as well as watch your child's fiber intake. Vitamin supplementation is recommended for young children whose diets may not provide adequate nutrients.

Toddlers are typically picky about which foods they'll eat and, as a result, some may not get enough calories from a vegetarian diet to thrive. For vegan toddlers, the amount of vegetables needed for proper nutrition and calories may be too bulky for their tiny stomachs. During the picky toddler stage, it's important for vegetarian parents to make sure their young child eats enough calories. You can get enough fat and calories in a vegan child's diet, but you have to plan carefully when excluding food groups.


Vegetarianism



Okay, if the composition of breast milk is dynamic, what is the range of protein content? Simple question. You didn't agree with my numbers, so provide your own.


Again, I already provided 3 unbiased sites showing the human body produces all the cholesterol it needs. Why don't you provide some that claim we need to eat cholesterol every day?


Finally, we do need fat in our diet, but not cholesterol. Kids do need fat in their diet, but not cholesterol.




Here's the big picture. As an American, you have close to a 40% chance of dying of heart disease, and a much higher chance of becoming unhealthy from heart disease. You have virtually no chance of dying or being unhealthy from a lack of protein in this country. That is my point, and the basis for my agenda...



Below, you will find some recent statistics for heart attacks in the United States.

452,327: the number of deaths due to heart attacks in the United States in the year 2004.
20: the percentage of all deaths due to heart attacks in the United States in the year 2004.
1.2 million: the average number of heart attacks that occur each year.
38: the percentage of all those who die from a coronary heart attack.
15.8 million: the number of heart attack patients who survive.
8.9 million: the estimated amount of angina patients in the United States.
4000,00: the number of new angina cases each year in the United States.
233,000: the number of women who died from cardiovascular disease each year.
14 million: the number of Americans afflicted with some form of heart disease or angina.
50: the percentage of deaths that occur one hour after a heart attack when not treated.
60 billion: the amount of dollars spent on heart attack treatment and prevention each year.
20: every 20 seconds, a new heart attack occurs somewhere in America.
60: every minute, another heart attack death occurs.

Heart Attack Statistics