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'We need fundamental changes': US doctors call for universal healthcare

TheDemSocialist said:
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I can definitely get behind this. Its a shame that the US isnt were the rest of the industrialized world is with this kind of health care system. And I would have to agree with Himmelstein when he says that this cannot be done on a state by state basis. There needs to be a "single payer" and not 50 payers. And I also would agree that right now as it stands its pretty politically unrealistic to expect this to be implemented in the next 4-8 years. If anything it serves as a strong rallying cry and keeps attention on the issue of the US joining the rest of the world with universal single payer health care.
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Apparently.. these 2000 physicians have never dealt with government run healthcare in this country.. or abroad.

OR they are self prescribing medication to themselves.

Just sayin...
 
jaeger19 said:
Apparently.. these 2000 physicians have never dealt with government run healthcare in this country.. or abroad.

OR they are self prescribing medication to themselves.

Just sayin...
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Medicare has higher satisfaction rates than any private insurance...
 
Deuce said:
All of them

Because in all 50 states, there are people who can't afford health care and also do not qualify for these programs.

In Texas, the income threshold for medicaid is a hilarious eighteen percent of the federal poverty level. $3600 a year for a family of three: if you make more than $3600, you aren't eligible for medicaid. Texas could have increased this threshold to 138% almost entirely paid for by the Feds, starting fully-funded and eventually scaling back to a paltry 90% federal support. They turned the money down.

Because Texas is a titanic asshole of a state.
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Because Texas knows these costs are going to spiral, and even 90% covered by the feds still leaves a 10% unfunded mandate. Thank you, no.

I did get a chuckle, though "modest tax increase". Heh.
 
Citizen.Seven said:
Because Texas knows these costs are going to spiral, and even 90% covered by the feds still leaves a 10% unfunded mandate. Thank you, no.

I did get a chuckle, though "modest tax increase". Heh.
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A 90% discount on providing healthcare to your citizens. "Thank you, no."
 
Deuce said:
Medicare has higher satisfaction rates than any private insurance...
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Try Medicaid, or VA.. which is what most countries universal healthcare is like.

Medicare only works because you pay in your WHOLE working life and then get to take out.. if you live long enough.

nice try.. but fail.
 
jaeger19 said:
Try Medicaid, or VA.. which is what most countries universal healthcare is like.

Medicare only works because you pay in your WHOLE working life and then get to take out.. if you live long enough.

nice try.. but fail.
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No, most nations do not work like the VA.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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I can definitely get behind this. Its a shame that the US isnt were the rest of the industrialized world is with this kind of health care system. And I would have to agree with Himmelstein when he says that this cannot be done on a state by state basis. There needs to be a "single payer" and not 50 payers. And I also would agree that right now as it stands its pretty politically unrealistic to expect this to be implemented in the next 4-8 years. If anything it serves as a strong rallying cry and keeps attention on the issue of the US joining the rest of the world with universal single payer health care.
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The changes don't even have to be that fundamental. Just smooth out the 400% FPL subsidy cliff, and fix the family glitch, and almost all the pieces are in place to transition. Employers can begin dumping the insurance benefit and people will pay toward their premiums according to their incomes and family sizes.
 
Deuce said:
No, most nations do not work like the VA.
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Yes countries with universal single payer systems do work like the VA.. or Medicaid. Depends on the system.. but yes they do

In fact.. I have observed or worked in some developed countries where the government system was worse than the Medicaid system in some US states.
 
jaeger19 said:
Yes countries with universal single payer systems do work like the VA.. or Medicaid. Depends on the system.. but yes they do

In fact.. I have observed or worked in some developed countries where the government system was worse than the Medicaid system in some US states.
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Quantify your assertion.
 
Deuce said:
Quantify your assertion.
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Getting care when you need it is universally important. Speedy care in the emergency room is essential. The UK healthcare system target is to have a patient wait time of four hours or less for 95% of its patients.

Currently, they’ve achieved this wait time for approximately 85% of emergency care patients. By comparison, 95% of visitors to the ER are seen within three hours of arrival. The average wait time for emergency and accident care in a US emergency room is 58 minutes.
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As reported by the Health Council of Canada, a 2010 Commonwealth survey found that 42% of Canadians waited 2 hours or more in the emergency room, versus 29% in the U.S.; 43% waited 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, versus 10% in the U.S.
A report published by Health Canada in 2008 included statistics on self-reported wait times for diagnostic services.[50] The median wait time for diagnostic services such as MRI and CAT scans is two weeks with 89.5% waiting less than 3 months.[50][51] The median wait time to see a special physician is a little over four weeks with 86.4% waiting less than 3 months.[50][52] The median wait time for surgery is a little over four weeks with 82.2% waiting less than 3 months.[50][53] In the U.S., patients on Medicaid, the low-income government programs, can wait three months or more to see specialists.
A 2009 study found that on average the wait in the United States to see a medical specialist is 20.5 days.[
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Comparing systems, the Us has a better average with less wait times than Canada. Which was averaging over a month with some more than 3 months.
However, comparing the Medicaid system, you find their average more in line with Canada.. than the rest of the US private system.
 
jaeger19 said:
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Comparing systems, the Us has a better average with less wait times than Canada. Which was averaging over a month with some more than 3 months.
However, comparing the Medicaid system, you find their average more in line with Canada.. than the rest of the US private system.
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Is there a reason you only compared Canada and the UK?
 
Deuce said:
Is there a reason you only compared Canada and the UK?
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Because they are the two universal systems that are most suggested as examples for American healthcare.
 
They are already calculating the premiums for 2017 and have said they will be skyrocketing, in some cases up to 17% more.
 
Ikari said:
Obamacare is just a give away to the insurance companies. We don't have true universal healthcare, just a mandate backed by government force that we buy insurance.

We do need a fundamental change, but people in this system are getting rich, and they are the ones that have government's ear. So I wouldn't hold my breath for a true universal healthcare system in this country.
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I don't think Paleo was talking about Obamacare, which is neither universal nor healthcare.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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I can definitely get behind this. Its a shame that the US isnt were the rest of the industrialized world is with this kind of health care system. And I would have to agree with Himmelstein when he says that this cannot be done on a state by state basis. There needs to be a "single payer" and not 50 payers. And I also would agree that right now as it stands its pretty politically unrealistic to expect this to be implemented in the next 4-8 years. If anything it serves as a strong rallying cry and keeps attention on the issue of the US joining the rest of the world with universal single payer health care.
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A small minority of doctors, certainly not all US doctors.
 
Paleocon said:
Walk into any ED in the country, you'll get treated.
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Not exactly. In Florida we have private hospitals that are not obligated to treat patients who cannot pay for "non-life threatening ailments". Assuming you meant ER.

I'm for Universal Healthcare as long as it doesn't mean universal insane taxation in the vein of the UK or Canada to cover it.

Personally, I say put everyone in the country on the same plan as what Government employees receive and be done with it.
 
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