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Obamacare premiums on the rise!

GunFora said:
Gee....who could have predicted that?

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And in most of the cases, as your reference showed, the reason is because not enough of the eligible market has been signing up for it...which, btw, is the reason we have the MANDATE for people to sign up for health insurance. If you'll remember, that's the heart of the original design by the Heritage Foundation...and what your reference showed is a manifestation of the very thing that the Heritage plan - and RomneyCare and Obamacare - were designed to prevent by using the individual mandate.

But there's a large swath of the nation that's absolutely convinced that it's government-run health care (which it's not), that the ACA includes death panels (it doesn't), that more people are getting less health care than ever (also false)...and who is it that's spreading the lies, that's trying to convince America that the ACA can't work?

The right wing, of course.

What the right wing is doing is "Obamacare's never gonna work...'cause we're gonna make damned sure it NEVER works!" And why? It has nothing to do with what's good or bad for America, and everything to do with the GOP not wanting another government program that becomes treasured by the American people (see "Social Security" and "Medicare")...and especially not a program that's associated with another Democratic president just as Social Security is associated with FDR and Medicare's associated with LBJ.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
And in most of the cases, as your reference showed, the reason is because not enough of the eligible market has been signing up for it...which, btw, is the reason we have the MANDATE for people to sign up for health insurance. If you'll remember, that's the heart of the original design by the Heritage Foundation...and what your reference showed is a manifestation of the very thing that the Heritage plan - and RomneyCare and Obamacare - were designed to prevent by using the individual mandate.

But there's a large swath of the nation that's absolutely convinced that it's government-run health care (which it's not), that the ACA includes death panels (it doesn't), that more people are getting less health care than ever (also false)...and who is it that's spreading the lies, that's trying to convince America that the ACA can't work?

The right wing, of course.

What the right wing is doing is "Obamacare's never gonna work...'cause we're gonna make damned sure it NEVER works!" And why? It has nothing to do with what's good or bad for America, and everything to do with the GOP not wanting another government program that becomes treasured by the American people (see "Social Security" and "Medicare")...and especially not a program that's associated with another Democratic president just as Social Security is associated with FDR and Medicare's associated with LBJ.
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The reason is irrelevant. You were told premiums would rise by those "crazy right wingers". Guess what? They were right. You were lied to by your leader. We all knew it. Those on the left did not.
 
GunFora said:
Gee....who could have predicted that?

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They have to rise. If health care costs 17 percent of gdp aca has to go to maybe 20 percent of wages? You don't need to be a rocket scientist for that calculatiin.
 
joG said:
They have to rise. If health care costs 17 percent of gdp aca has to go to maybe 20 percent of wages? You don't need to be a rocket scientist for that calculatiin.
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The point is that pre-ACA, the argument was that rates would go down with Obamacare enacted. You don't remember that argument from Obama and his disciples?
 
GunFora said:
The point is that pre-ACA, the argument was that rates would go down with Obamacare enacted. You don't remember that argument from Obama and his disciples?
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Of course I remember. But it was always difficult to tell who was lying and who was ignorant.
 
joG said:
Of course I remember. But it was always difficult to tell who was lying and who was ignorant.
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And now we know....the left was ignorant and lying....the right was knowledgeable and telling the truth.
 
GunFora said:
And now we know....the left was ignorant and lying....the right was knowledgeable and telling the truth.
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Far out, man!
 
GunFora said:
Gee....who could have predicted that?
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A political hack, with an axe to grind?

Prior to the ACA, health care premiums typically increased around 8.5% per year. Some years saw jumps of 11, 12, 13, 14 percent. Not to mention that during those years, insurers kept increasing deductibles, redlining more and more conditions and customers, and otherwise offering less while charging more.

Since the ACA started, premiums are growing much slower -- around 4% for several years. This year is a little higher, around 7.5%. That's still below the pre-ACA average, and insurers can't ratchet up the deductibles or refuse to cover conditions.

Health care costs are also growing slower than before. It's even made a small ding in GDP.

And of course, the number of uninsured dropped precipitously with the ACA....

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Maybe that's why the ACA is steadily gaining in popularity in the last few years.

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The reality is that in the 90s and 00s, we were seeing double digit increases in premiums, and dramatic increases in costs. More importantly, it's not going anywhere. After years of fuming, Republicans have no plan whatsoever to replace it, while keeping the critical elements like guaranteed issue, exchanges, keeping kids on parents' insurance longer, better supervision of Medicare and more. Insurers and hospitals have already adjusted to it. And fundamentally, it's a free-market solution.

The idea that the ACA is somehow responsible for the normal annual premium increases, even though they are lower than in previous years, is mildly amusing.
 
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