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Brain Studies Highlight Importance of Anti-Poverty Policies for Children

JC Callender said:
Really, how long did the Depression last during his presidency? And are you going to give Hoover credit for starting the programs that FDR basically expanded?
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The sheer scale of the depression was remarkable, it's debatable if anyone could have ended it within a reasonable time frame without the war, FDR brought us the NEW DEAL. Tell me, which Hoover programs did he steal? Sure, maybe he expanded on a couple..
 
David_N said:
The sheer scale of the depression was remarkable, it's debatable if anyone could have ended it within a reasonable time frame without the war, FDR brought us the NEW DEAL. Tell me, which Hoover programs did he steal? Sure, maybe he expanded on a couple..
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I've read that the Depression of 1920-21 was more intense initially, but only lasted two years. I don't think you can honestly estimate how long the G.D. would have lasted since government intervention didn't allow the market to naturally correct itself.
 
JC Callender said:
I've read that the Depression of 1920-21 was more intense initially, but only lasted two years. I don't think you can honestly estimate how long the G.D. would have lasted since government intervention didn't allow the market to naturally correct itself.
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You don't actually believe that.
It's always the same with free market worshippers.
 
David_N said:
You don't actually believe that.
It's always the same with free market worshippers.
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What was markedly bad about American society before FDR? How did FDR start to make life so much better? I'd like to know if you have statistics, for instance, were people starving to death?
 
JC Callender said:
What was markedly bad about American society before FDR? How did FDR start to make life so much better? I'd like to know if you have statistics, for instance, were people starving to death?
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Seriously? What do you think would happen if a bank collapsed in the past? The Great Depression showed what happen. What do you think happened to the elderly who lived paycheck to paycheck and couldn't save? Do you know how rampant senior poverty was? I could go on.
 
David_N said:
You assume that jobs are simply available, and that said jobs would pay enough to live in a decent way.
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I am assuming there would be jobs available. But if there wasn't any jobs available, the economy must be doing pretty bad, which means workers need to hold on to their income to save it. But you also need to tax workers to take care of those w/o a job, so that will put an even bigger burden on them than they already have.
 
David_N said:
You don't actually believe that.
It's always the same with free market worshippers.
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Any basic government textbook will tell you that the New Deal prolonged the GD due to a heavy amount of government spending. There was even a mini-depression within the depression under FDR's New Deal policies. The New Deal, while sustaining some people, made the depression last longer. The market had always corrected itself before the 1930s, that's why they were called "panics" that only lasted a year or so. But thanks to the federal reserve and gov't intervention in the economy, we ended up with a depression and bad recessions throughout the 20th and 21st centuries.
 
David_N said:
Seriously? What do you think would happen if a bank collapsed in the past? The Great Depression showed what happen. What do you think happened to the elderly who lived paycheck to paycheck and couldn't save? Do you know how rampant senior poverty was? I could go on.
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And banks collapsed all the time before the GD. But government didn't bail them out or mess with interest rates, causing banks to make unwise loans. Hence the market adjusted and life moved on, depression free.
 
David_N said:
Seriously? What do you think would happen if a bank collapsed in the past? The Great Depression showed what happen. What do you think happened to the elderly who lived paycheck to paycheck and couldn't save? Do you know how rampant senior poverty was? I could go on.
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Yet you're not telling me anything. I asked you for stats and you have none. America was a great place before FDR. He (and Hoover) presided over a very long depression, why is that considered a success? If it was called the 1929-30 Depression it may have been impressive. And most people consider the beginning of the war to be the official end of the depression, not FDR's brilliant ideas.
 
JC Callender said:
Yet you're not telling me anything. I asked you for stats and you have none. America was a great place before FDR. He (and Hoover) presided over a very long depression, why is that considered a success? If it was called the 1929-30 Depression it may have been impressive. And most people consider the beginning of the war to be the official end of the depression, not FDR's brilliant ideas.
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Oh, but I have. America was not a swell place for those in poverty, the elderly who couldn't afford to save tons of money, those who couldn't find work, those who lost everything in the banks..
 
David_N said:
Oh, but I have. America was not a swell place for those in poverty, the elderly who couldn't afford to save tons of money, those who couldn't find work, those who lost everything in the banks..
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And like we said, the market would have corrected the economy faster than the New Deal did, based off historical market corrections.
 
libertybird said:
And like we said, the market would have corrected the economy faster than the New Deal did, based off historical market corrections.
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Do you even recognize how massive the GD was? How much people lost?
 
David_N said:
Do you even recognize how massive the GD was? How much people lost?
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I do realize how massive it was; therefore, the market would have made huge corrections to compensate. Again, the New Deal prolonged the Depression, so why do you support it so much?
 
libertybird said:
I do realize how massive it was; therefore, the market would have made huge corrections to compensate. Again, the New Deal prolonged the Depression, so why do you support it so much?
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LOL. The new deal didn't prolong the depression, it helped people through it and set a precedent to help prevent future catastrophes.
 
David_N said:
LOL. The new deal didn't prolong the depression, it helped people through it and set a precedent to help prevent future catastrophes.
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FDR's Folly: How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression | Foundation for Economic Education

"The Great Depression of the 1930s was by far the greatest economic calamity in U.S. history. In 1931, the year before Franklin Roosevelt was elected president, unemployment in the United States had soared to an unprecedented 16.3 percent. In human terms that meant that over eight million Americans who wanted jobs could not find them. In 1939, after almost two full terms of Roosevelt and his New Deal, unemployment had not dropped, but had risen to 17.2 percent. Almost nine and one-half million Americans were unemployed.

On May 6, 1939, Henry Morgenthau, Roosevelt’s treasury secretary, confirmed the total failure of the New Deal to stop the Great Depression: “We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. . . . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. . . . And an enormous debt to boot!”"

 
David_N said:
LOL. The new deal didn't prolong the depression, it helped people through it and set a precedent to help prevent future catastrophes.
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I will agree that the FDIC is not bad gov't policy that came from the New Deal, and it helps prevent further chaos in a recession. But that's pretty much all I agree with.
 
David_N said:
Oh, but I have. America was not a swell place for those in poverty, the elderly who couldn't afford to save tons of money, those who couldn't find work, those who lost everything in the banks..
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or for women, blacks and Mexican Americans.
 
Statistics that do not come from Libertarian/right wing organizations would be much more convincing. There are government stats available for most of these topcs.
 
Hard Truth said:
I advocate easier access to contraception and prenatal care, screenings for toxins such as lead for school children every few years, breakfast programs for low income schools, free or low-cost preschool for all kids. Stop funding schools based on the local property values, fund all public schools equally well or provide extra funding to schools with challenging students.
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Let's start with fixing the current nutritional programs. My co-worker went to have lunch with his 2nd grade daughter recently and what he told me about how things worked was stunning. The kids are offered choices of good nutritional food and they have to choose something. They don't have to eat it, but they do have to choose it. If they choose a dish, but don't want to eat it, at the end of the lunch line is a place where they can return the dish. Let's start with fixing this kind of idiotic crap. If we did, there would be more funds available for providing the help that's needed. Giving a kid a healthy meal that they won't eat is a waste of money and does the kids NO good.
 
Hard Truth said:
Statistics that do not come from Libertarian/right wing organizations would be much more convincing. There are government stats available for most of these topcs.
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Because stats that come from government are way more convincing.
 
David_N said:
LOL???

The EITC helps to keep people out of crippling poverty, and hell, let's use your example, that's, what, 17,000? How much do you think food stamp benefits are?
Average Monthly Food Stamp Benefits Per Person | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
Barely anything.
What other programs are you talking about?
The majority of people in poverty work.
The new deal set a precedent, put people back to work, led us through the GD up until WW2..
Social security keeps millions out of poverty..
The great society has made sure poverty doesn't sky rocket.
People do take responsibility.
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That average includes people who work part time and get a smaller check as a result. "lies, damned lies and statistics"
 
Henrin said:
Because stats that come from government are way more convincing.
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They are more convincing than stats from a partisan group. The reputation of federal government statistics is quite good.
 
Hard Truth said:
As I indicated in that post, the quoted source used stats from the OECD About the OECD - OECD
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From the OECD website: "The mission of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) is to promote policies that will improve the economic and social well-being of people around the world. The OECD provides a forum in which governments can work together to share experiences and seek solutions to common problems. "



Seems they have a bias/leaning towards using government to solve problems, just like my sources and I have a bias/leaning towards free market solutions. Besides, my sources were the CATO Institute and FEE, and they used government collected data (as well as their own data) such as per capita spending, poverty trends, etc. to come to their conclusions that the free market is a better solution. So by using gov't data, they say the gov't is not successful at solving social and economic problems. Since you give high regard to gov't data, it seems you should at least consider my sources.
 
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