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Politifact: ‘If you like your health insurance, you can keep it’

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PolitiFact ‘If you like your health insurance, you can keep it’

This should hopefully clear up some of the confusion of what is actually happening. Clearly the Obama administration's roll out of Obamacare has been bungled. Also communicating the requirements has been poor and possibly somewhat deceptive. However it is a far cry from the Obamageddon the right has stirred up about TerrorCare bayonetting infants in nurseries at a 400% premium leaving millions in peril.

Mostly True:

"The vast majority of people in this country are keeping their (health insurance) plan."
David Axelrod, Monday, October 28th, 2013.
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Mostly False:

In Florida, "300,000 people are going to lose their individual coverage because of Obamacare. Now those people next year, they don’t have health insurance."
Marco Rubio, Tuesday, October 22nd, 2013.
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Half True:

"If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance."
Barack Obama, Thursday, June 28th, 2012.
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Politifact is full of crap... They rated Obama's lie about keeping your health insurance as "Half True", which makes their credibility "Pants on fire" as far as I'm concerned.
 
Grim17 said:
Politifact is full of crap... They rated Obama's lie about keeping your health insurance as "Half True", which makes their credibility "Pants on fire" as far as I'm concerned.
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Well, what should one expect from the Tampa Bay Times, which is published by the Progressive Machine supported Poynter Institute?
 
Grim17 said:
Politifact is full of crap... They rated Obama's lie about keeping your health insurance as "Half True", which makes their credibility "Pants on fire" as far as I'm concerned.
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You could actually read the article to understand why they rated it half-true rather than remain willfully ignorant because you want to believe Obama is a complete liar.
 
ocean515 said:
Well, what should one expect from the Tampa Bay Times, which is published by the Progressive Machine supported Poynter Institute?
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Would you like to actually challenge the content here?
 
Verax said:
You could actually read the article to understand why they rated it half-true rather than remain willfully ignorant because you want to believe Obama is a complete liar.
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Oh no you have it wrong, I don't want to believe I was suckered by a complete liar. I'd much rather be confirmed as the wise fellow who voted for the guy who did wonderful things and kept all his sparkling promises. But the truth is I was suckered and he is a complete liar.
 
clownboy said:
Oh no you have it wrong, I don't want to believe I was suckered by a complete liar. I'd much rather be confirmed as the wise fellow who voted for the guy who did wonderful things and kept all his sparkling promises. But the truth is I was suckered and he is a complete liar.
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LoL, what horrible things exactly has Obama done to you?
 
Verax said:
You could actually read the article to understand why they rated it half-true rather than remain willfully ignorant because you want to believe Obama is a complete liar.
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A lie is when someone says something in order to convey a false or misleading message... That is exactly what Obama and his administration not only did (according to Obama's own network NBC), but continues doing on the White house website to this very day.

He lied... PERIOD... Making politifact a complete joke.
 
Verax said:
Would you like to actually challenge the content here?
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Ummm. Actually, no.

When you write:

"However it is a far cry from the Obamageddon the right has stirred up about TerrorCare bayonetting infants in nurseries at a 400% premium leaving millions in peril."​

and then use the Progressive Machine to attempt to legitimize your hyperbole, there's really no point.

I think your hyperbolic narrative deserves to stand on it's own.
 
Grim17 said:
A lie is when someone says something in order to convey a false or misleading message... That is exactly what Obama and his administration not only did (according to Obama's own network NBC), but continues doing on the White house website to this very day.

He lied... PERIOD... Making politifact a complete joke.
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I don't think saying "HE LIED" is an argument.

From the link...

Obama’s statement had a reasonable point: His health care law does take pains to allow Americans to keep their health plan, especially people who get their insurance through work.

But most people have never been able to keep their insurance through thick and thin. Even before the law took effect, a substantial number of policyholders were forced to switch plans every year. Figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office suggested that the law could increase that rate, not reduce it, even if Americans on balance benefit from the law’s provisions mandating comprehensive coverage.
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What part of this do you disagree with?
 
ocean515 said:
Ummm. Actually, no.

When you write:

"However it is a far cry from the Obamageddon the right has stirred up about TerrorCare bayonetting infants in nurseries at a 400% premium leaving millions in peril."​

and then use the Progressive Machine to attempt to legitimize your hyperbole, there's really no point.

I think your hyperbolic narrative deserves to stand on it's own.
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You can't challenge it because you have no argument.

Besides, read the posts all over this forum section. Page after page of utter hysteria surrounding Obamacare. Yet I'm hyperbolic?
 
Grim17 said:
Politifact is full of crap... They rated Obama's lie about keeping your health insurance as "Half True", which makes their credibility "Pants on fire" as far as I'm concerned.
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In many cases, there's no such thing as “half-true”. This is such a case. Either the claim is true, or it is false. There is no in-between.

This use of the phrase “half-true” is very obviously nothing more than an attempt to whitewash an outright lie, to make it seem less of a lie than it really is.
 
clownboy said:
Lied constanty, what part of that don't you get?
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LoL, you guys really aren't very good at making arguments are you?

Well here let me reply in kind. "No he didn't". There I win :p
 
Verax said:
I don't think saying "HE LIED" is an argument.

From the link...



What part of this do you disagree with?
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All of it. And that's just revisionist BS, "a substantial number of policyholders were forced to switch plans every year". And so obvious that the CBO was also full of BS when they said, "Figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office suggested that the law could increase that rate, not reduce it". Notice the liberal use of wiggle words like "suggested" and "could". All easily deniable when faced with reality that more and more folks are losing their employer paid policies.

Obamacare has made it a more expensive benefit for companies to offer their employees.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
The part where they move the goalposts.
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Would you like to elaborate with some kind of... content?

Jeez, this is like trying to get a murder confession out of Johnny tight lips.
 
WCH said:
Resign now, mr. Obama
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NO! That would mean President Biden. Face it, we're stuck with the lying sack for a couple more years. The only answer is to somehow get congress working again.
 
Verax said:
You can't challenge it because you have no argument.

Besides, read the posts all over this forum section. Page after page of utter hysteria surrounding Obamacare. Yet I'm hyperbolic?
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How predictable. You folks need better training. The "If you don't dance when I tell you, you've got nothing" bit is rather tedious.

And yes, it's probably safe to suggest "TerrorCare bayonetting infants" would be viewed as hyperbolic by most rational readers.

The fact is, Obamacare is proving to be everything that people warned about. Considering there are some politicians actually trying to blame Republicans for the mess they unilaterally created only underscores the legitimacy of the complaints.
 
clownboy said:
All of it. And that's just revisionist BS, "a substantial number of policyholders were forced to switch plans every year". And so obvious that the CBO was also full of BS when they said, "Figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office suggested that the law could increase that rate, not reduce it". Notice the liberal use of wiggle words like "suggested" and "could". All easily deniable when faced with reality that more and more folks are losing their employer paid policies.

Obamacare has made it a more expensive benefit for companies to offer their employees.
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So Politifact is lying, the CBO is lying, "wiggle words" are lies... In the context there those wiggle words were talking about how Obamacare could make it worse. You do realize that is a statement that you want to promote right? Being that you're against Obamacare.

I still don't see any argument about how the half lie is wrong. All you're doing is a more sophisticated version of "they're all liars" without providing any real content.
 
Verax said:
LoL, you guys really aren't very good at making arguments are you?

Well here let me reply in kind. "No he didn't". There I win :p
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You would have better results if you brought an Obama doll and asked them to point to the place where the bad man touched them
 
Verax said:
What part of this do you disagree with?
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That's easy... The president never said any of that crap... All he said was that if people liked their health insurance, they would be able to keep it.
 
ocean515 said:
How predictable. You folks need better training. The "If you don't dance when I tell you, you've got nothing" bit is rather tedious.

And yes, it's probably safe to suggest "TerrorCare bayonetting infants" would be viewed as hyperbolic by most rational readers.

The fact is, Obamacare is proving to be everything that people warned about. Considering there are some politicians actually trying to blame Republicans for the mess they unilaterally created only underscores the legitimacy of the complaints.
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So you think just making vague assertions is a justified argument? Seriously this is pathetic.
 
sangha said:
You would have better results if you brought an Obama doll and asked them to point to the place where the bad man touched them
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LOL. Maybe that's what we need to do.
 
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