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What to do about the gun problem?

cynical1 said:
Interesting. In my neck of the woods a 5 year old presented with a picture of a gun would know that's what Daddy uses to shoot deer for food and coyotes when they get after the chickens.
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Well remember. In the U.K. hunting is only allowed for the wealthy. As is firearms ownership. It is the "kings" land. I was just speaking with some friends from there. They were talking about how much money the royal family has. And how crazy they are about the worship of them. They were basically talking about the whole obsession and why it was no wonder the people were so easy to "brainwash" into accepting government. So by extension of course they don't know about hunting. Or rights.


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braindrain said:
Well if you are getting attacked by a steel plate than a 40 is probably your best option. We shoot steel pie plates all the time at work. Knocks them down every time. Still doesn't change the fact that the term knockdown power is a completely garbage term when talking about any hand gun round. Really any rifle round as well for that matter.
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A pistol round will spin a person like it will spin a plate. And when you're in a shootout, it's great to have that other guy knocked around. If he's being spun and kicked around, then he's likely not able to shoot back accurately.
 
Brewdog said:
A pistol round will spin a person like it will spin a plate. And when you're in a shootout, it's great to have that other guy knocked around. If he's being spun and kicked around, then he's likely not able to shoot back accurately.
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Um. Maybe if the guy isn't on drugs. But pistol calibers are notoriously weak. Even the .45. There is a reason we don't use handguns as primary calibers. They are just convenient. Aim is way more important than caliber. A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .45. :)


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This is actually a really important topic guys. Let's stop bashing it. I know a lot of you don't practice proper gun control. So let's get serious now and talk about:



Weapon retention is really important. Especially grappling. I'm sure many of you have neglected this aspect of your training. It isn't as fun as putting lead down. I know. Or being fast on the trigger. But come on. It is important.


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Captain America said:
Maybe so. Ask me if I care.
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Then you should apend your last name with "un", as tossing out those parts of the Bill of Rights is as bad as those who fight to take out the 2A rights.
 
Rucker61 said:
Then you should apend your last name with "un", as tossing out those parts of the Bill of Rights is as bad as those who fight to take out the 2A rights.
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More and more each day, I am starting to realize you may be right. Alas, the America I fear we got coming, is not the America I spent my first 60 years enjoying, nor is it the America I stood and made an oath to when I joined the service to our nation. There is a storm on the horizon.

Only time will tell and it just makes good sense to hope for the best. Perhaps I should stick it out a little longer and see how things shake out before changing my name.

But as it stands, I am one pissed-off mo-fo and my patience, with whacktards, criminals, traitors, politicians, gangstas, vatos, rednecks and even the alter-boys who are trying to shove their beliefs down the rest of America's throat, is about to come to an abrupt stop.

You see, I have become one of those grumpy old men. I make no apologies for it and it is simply not up for debate.

I have a "**** you" in my pocket for all the assholes in this world. I could not beat them. So I joined them.

But I'll probably be okay with all this **** after I've had a couple JD's and Coke. I'll get back to ya then.

Have a nice evening.
 
flogger said:
But that was the bottle not the alcohol contained therein :wink:
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How about all the knives killing people in the U.K.? Oh yea. Doesn't count. My bad.


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AtlantaAdonis said:
I am exasperated with all of the mass shootings. We have entirely too many guns in this country and something needs to be done now! You people that think the right to own 20 guns and 10 tons of ammunition, what do you want done about this? It's time to start talking about reducing gun violence and not talking about "freedumb".
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Mass shootings are a small fraction of 1% of gun homicides. When we're talking about gun deaths, over half are self-inflicted. The vast majority of homicides are committed with handguns. If you want to address the 'gun problem', the last place you should start is mass shootings. But the media knows that people lap up a bunch of middle class white kids getting blown away by one kid, so they give such disproportionate coverage to that sort of thing that the rest of the violence wallows in radio silence, and people discuss solutions that won't even dent the problem.
 
blackjack50 said:
How about all the knives killing people in the U.K.? Oh yea. Doesn't count. My bad.
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Per capita our knife crime is only about 1.3 times yours where your gun crime is some 45 times ours . On balance I'll live with the former :wink:
 
flogger said:
Good grief the ingrained denial about what a gun really is ,is quite unbelievable ! :shock:
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There is no denial. Guns were conceived and designed to save lives, by eliminating the enemy, whoever that may be.

flogger said:
But that was the bottle not the alcohol contained therein :wink:
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Just more of your silliness.
 
Captain America said:
More and more each day, I am starting to realize you may be right. Alas, the America I fear we got coming, is not the America I spent my first 60 years enjoying, nor is it the America I stood and made an oath to when I joined the service to our nation. There is a storm on the horizon.

Only time will tell and it just makes good sense to hope for the best. Perhaps I should stick it out a little longer and see how things shake out before changing my name.

But as it stands, I am one pissed-off mo-fo and my patience, with whacktards, criminals, traitors, politicians, gangstas, vatos, rednecks and even the alter-boys who are trying to shove their beliefs down the rest of America's throat, is about to come to an abrupt stop.

You see, I have become one of those grumpy old men. I make no apologies for it and it is simply not up for debate.

I have a "**** you" in my pocket for all the assholes in this world. I could not beat them. So I joined them.

But I'll probably be okay with all this **** after I've had a couple JD's and Coke. I'll get back to ya then.

Have a nice evening.
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It's getting to where it's just us grumpy old men protecting the Bill of Rights.
 
Rucker61 said:
We've told you. It's to launch bullets.
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1. That conclusion is not emerging as an overwhelming consensus.
2. How do you explain people who deter others simply with the displaying or the pointing of a gun? By your logic, a gun is useless unless actually fired.

Could the purpose of a gun not include the threat of its use?
 
Phys251 said:
1. That conclusion is not emerging as an overwhelming consensus.
2. How do you explain people who deter others simply with the displaying or the pointing of a gun? By your logic, a gun is useless unless actually fired.

Could the purpose of a gun not include the threat of its use?
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Could an object actually have more than one purpose? What is the purpose of gasoline?
 
Brewdog said:
A pistol round will spin a person like it will spin a plate. And when you're in a shootout, it's great to have that other guy knocked around. If he's being spun and kicked around, then he's likely not able to shoot back accurately.
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You may want to research newtons law a bit. A bullet hitting someone hard enough to spin them would also be excreting the same amount of force on the shooter. Getting you information from watching movies is not a good idea.
 
Rucker61 said:
Could an object actually have more than one purpose?
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Why not at the very least try to define an overarching purpose that includes any underlying sub-purposes?

What is the purpose of gasoline?
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When burned, to create heat, which expands, thus creating usable work.
 
braindrain said:
You may want to research newtons law a bit. A bullet hitting someone hard enough to spin them would also be excreting the same amount of force on the shooter. Getting you information from watching movies is not a good idea.
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And the force of a car crash into a pedestrian is the same as upon the driver.
 
Phys251 said:
Why not at the very least try to define an overarching purpose that includes any underlying sub-purposes?
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knock yourself out. It's not really a question of interest to most here, I'd warrant.

When burned, to create heat, which expands, thus creating usable work.
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Like arson, burning murders, necklacing, none of which I'd consider "usable work". Oh, didn't you want to include all underlying sub-purposes?
 
Atosaras said:
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So I guess that meant nothing.

Oh. Btw.

https://www.quandl.com/data/FBI/WEAPONS11-US-Murders-by-Weapon-Type

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-homicides-rise-knife-gun-crime?client=safari

Meaning that this:

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Has killed more than this:

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And that isn't even "per capita." That is just raw data.

Congrats. You have proved my point. Criminals kill people. Tools don't matter. Bombs, knives, trucks, or guns.





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Brewdog said:
And the force of a car crash into a pedestrian is the same as upon the driver.
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Not true. The force of the impact is absorbed by the mass of the car and would barely register to the occupant.. The recoil energy is absorbed by the mass and action of the firearm and transferred over a much larger area to the user. The bullet striking a person is going to penetrate and spread the energy over a longer period of time and over a much larger area than a spinner or metal plate.
 
MickeyW said:
There is no denial. Guns were conceived and designed to save lives, by eliminating the enemy, whoever that may be.
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Of course there is denial. Guns were invented as weapons used to kill people far more effectively than before. Most infants here wouldn't need that explaining for them.
 
Brewdog said:
And the force of a car crash into a pedestrian is the same as upon the driver.
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Like I said you may want to brush up on your physics a bit. If you don't feel like reading I think mythbusters did an episode on it. You should start there.
 
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