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Tim Kaine initially blames 'gun violence' for Ohio State car-and-knife attack - Washington TimesSen. Tim Kaine said Monday he was saddened by the “senseless act of gun violence” at Ohio State University, even though the attacker used a butcher knife and a car.

Eleven people were injured in a rampage by Somali-born student Abdul Razak Ali Artan, who drove into a crowd on a sidewalk and then chased bystanders with a knife in what is being investigated as a possible act of terrorism.
He was shot and killed by Ohio State Police Officer Alan Horujko.


Mr. Kaine was blasted by those who charged him with trying to politicize the tragedy.
The only guns used were by the police.

 
Tim Kaine initially blames 'gun violence' for Ohio State car-and-knife attack - Washington TimesSen. Tim Kaine said Monday he was saddened by the “senseless act of gun violence” at Ohio State University, even though the attacker used a butcher knife and a car.

Eleven people were injured in a rampage by Somali-born student Abdul Razak Ali Artan, who drove into a crowd on a sidewalk and then chased bystanders with a knife in what is being investigated as a possible act of terrorism.
He was shot and killed by Ohio State Police Officer Alan Horujko.


Mr. Kaine was blasted by those who charged him with trying to politicize the tragedy.
The only guns used were by the police.

Mr. Kaine later corrected himself, saying in a tweet, “Updated reports say attacker used a vehicle & knife. Horrifying & senseless.”
I'm sure you meant to put that and just forgot, right?
 
As long as they can deflect from Islamic extremists committing acts of terror anything is a better spin - even an internet video. ;)

Meanwhile, senseless acts of gun violence continue in the our "hoods" where gangs fight each other over the criminal control of distribution of banned, so called "controlled", substances.
 
Yet still no condemnation of the motive or, as they so often like to say, root cause.
So? His Twitter hasn't commented on it since his update where he expressed condolences and prayers. He acknowledged it wasn't a gun, but "horrifying" and "senseless" attack with a knife and vehicle.

This thread was posted in the gun control forum, obviously to rile up faux anger about something which really wasn't a big deal. Kaine's Twitter initially offered condolences about the attack based on the information media was providing. When that information change, his Twitter updated and corrected the record. But the OP didn't mention at all the fact Kaine's Twitter corrected the record once media corrected their reports.

And that's what I'm pointing out.
 
I'm sure you meant to put that and just forgot, right?

Just like I'm sure Kaine meant to get all the facts before running his mouth off like a ****ing moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda
 
Just like I'm sure Kaine meant to get all the facts before running his mouth off like a ****ing moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda
He simply repeated what the media was saying at the time. He's hardly the only one to do that. Hell, even the most devoted follower of the Gun Control forum, TurtleDude, was posting it was an active shooter situation.

So, tell me...did TurtleDude run his mouth off like a ****king moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda? Is that your argument? How about Kal'Stang, when he posted multiple people were shot? Was he running his mouth off like a ****ing moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda?

I'll bet dollars to donuts you don't get back to me with an honest answer to my questions.
 
He simply repeated what the media was saying at the time. He's hardly the only one to do that. Hell, even the most devoted follower of the Gun Control forum, TurtleDude, was posting it was an active shooter situation.

So, tell me...did TurtleDude run his mouth off like a ****king moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda? Is that your argument? How about Kal'Stang, when he posted multiple people were shot? Was he running his mouth off like a ****ing moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda?

I'll bet dollars to donuts you don't get back to me with an honest answer to my questions.

Did either of those claim it was "senseless gun violence"? I'll bet dollars to donuts that you already knew the answer before you made your ridiculous comparison
 
So? His Twitter hasn't commented on it since his update where he expressed condolences and prayers. He acknowledged it wasn't a gun, but "horrifying" and "senseless" attack with a knife and vehicle.

This thread was posted in the gun control forum, obviously to rile up faux anger about something which really wasn't a big deal. Kaine's Twitter initially offered condolences about the attack based on the information media was providing. When that information change, his Twitter updated and corrected the record. But the OP didn't mention at all the fact Kaine's Twitter corrected the record once media corrected their reports.

And that's what I'm pointing out.

Did you notice how he didn't use the phrase knife violence when corrected himself, but used the phrase gun violence in his original statement? I find that interesting.
 
So? His Twitter hasn't commented on it since his update where he expressed condolences and prayers. He acknowledged it wasn't a gun, but "horrifying" and "senseless" attack with a knife and vehicle.

This thread was posted in the gun control forum, obviously to rile up faux anger about something which really wasn't a big deal. Kaine's Twitter initially offered condolences about the attack based on the information media was providing. When that information change, his Twitter updated and corrected the record. But the OP didn't mention at all the fact Kaine's Twitter corrected the record once media corrected their reports.

And that's what I'm pointing out.

What I am pointing out is that motive - the reason for a violent criminal act, not the tools used, is what must be dealt with. Do you really think that Kaine would have even mentioned this "horrifying and senseless" event if not for the chance to use it to snipe about "gun violence"?

All "horrifying and senseless" criminal acts of violence leave victims - yet Kaine is unlikely to address them, for example, those killed and seriously injured in the recent TN school bus "accident" which resulted in multiple criminal charges was certainly as "horrifying and senseless".

Should this thread be moved to the knife control or car control sub-forums? ;)
 
I'll bet dollars to donuts you don't get back to me with an honest answer to my questions.
Did either of those claim it was "senseless gun violence"?
I love it when I'm right. I knew you wouldn't answer my question.

The fact is it was being reported as gun violence. Tim Kaine later corrected the record and said it was "horrifying" and "senseless" violence from vehicle and knife. The OP and the article it sourced are just trying to manufacture outrage over something which doesn't truly exist. Kaine simply tweeted what was being reported at the time, no different than two of the more ardent gun supporters on this forum.

Like I said, I love it when I'm right. I knew you wouldn't provide an honest answer to my question.
 
I love it when I'm right. I knew you wouldn't answer my question.

The fact is it was being reported as gun violence. Tim Kaine later corrected the record and said it was "horrifying" and "senseless" violence from vehicle and knife. The OP and the article it sourced are just trying to manufacture outrage over something which doesn't truly exist. Kaine simply tweeted what was being reported at the time, no different than two of the more ardent gun supporters on this forum.

Like I said, I love it when I'm right. I knew you wouldn't provide an honest answer to my question.

I answered your question, don't blame me just because you didn't like it. Or maybe you don't have the capacity to understand the difference between discussing something and pushing a political agenda.
 
What I am pointing out is that motive - the reason for a violent criminal act, not the tools used, is what must be dealt with. Do you really think that Kaine would have even mentioned this "horrifying and senseless" event if not for the chance to use it to snipe about "gun violence"?
Yes. He is a public politician on the national scale, of course he would have expressed condolences for any attack.

All "horrifying and senseless" criminal acts of violence leave victims - yet Kaine is unlikely to address them, for example, those killed and seriously injured in the recent TN school bus "accident" which resulted in multiple criminal charges was certainly as "horrifying and senseless".
That wasn't an intentionally violent attack. It was a bus driver who was careless which cost lives. Big difference in intent.

I understand the point you're making. And you very well MIGHT be correct. But, in this instance, we know you are not. We know reports said gun violence and we know he corrected when media did. Those are the facts.

Should this thread be moved to the knife control or car control sub-forums? ;)
Perhaps we can move it to the Politically Correct forum, since the OP obviously was offended by the word gun. We need to provide a safe space. ;)
 
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I answered your question
No, you didn't. You asked me a question in return, which did not answer my question. Perhaps you just got confused. I'll ask again:

So, tell me...did TurtleDude run his mouth off like a ****king moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda? Is that your argument? How about Kal'Stang, when he posted multiple people were shot? Was he running his mouth off like a ****ing moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda?

Please answer the question.
Or maybe you don't have the capacity to understand the difference between discussing something and pushing a political agenda.
I understand it fine. This thread and the source which inspired it is a perfect example of pushing a political agenda. It castigated Kaine for commenting on what was being reported at the time and ignored the fact he corrected it when the media did. That's the very definition of pushing a political agenda. Facts didn't matter, just trying to manufacture outrage.
 
No, you didn't. You asked me a question in return, which did not answer my question. Perhaps you just got confused. I'll ask again:

So, tell me...did TurtleDude run his mouth off like a ****king moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda? Is that your argument? How about Kal'Stang, when he posted multiple people were shot? Was he running his mouth off like a ****ing moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda?

Please answer the question.
I understand it fine. This thread and the source which inspired it is a perfect example of pushing a political agenda. It castigated Kaine for commenting on what was being reported at the time and ignored the fact he corrected it when the media did. That's the very definition of pushing a political agenda. Facts didn't matter, just trying to manufacture outrage.

I answered your question just fine you just don't seem to have any reading comprehension whatsoever.

I clearly implied that the posters went running their mouth off because they wernt pushing thier political agenda in the way Kaine is.
 
Tim Kaine initially blames 'gun violence' for Ohio State car-and-knife attack - Washington TimesSen. Tim Kaine said Monday he was saddened by the “senseless act of gun violence” at Ohio State University, even though the attacker used a butcher knife and a car.

Eleven people were injured in a rampage by Somali-born student Abdul Razak Ali Artan, who drove into a crowd on a sidewalk and then chased bystanders with a knife in what is being investigated as a possible act of terrorism.
He was shot and killed by Ohio State Police Officer Alan Horujko.


Mr. Kaine was blasted by those who charged him with trying to politicize the tragedy.
The only guns used were by the police.


Well, your link doesn't work and he initially blamed gun violence back when it was being reported as a "active shooter" on campus.
 
I answered your question just fine
No, you didn't. Asking me a question which did not address my comment was not answering my question. Like I said, I did not expect an honest answer and I did not receive one.

I clearly implied that the posters went running their mouth off because they wernt pushing thier political agenda in the way Kaine is.
No, you didn't imply anything. But I'll accept this as your answer.

So let me see if I have this correct. When TurtleDude and Kal'Stang comment on it being gun violence, that's okay, but when Kaine does it, it's not. In other words, when people whose political opinions you like say the same thing as those whose political opinions you don't, it's only okay when it's said by those you agree with.

I guess we can add another to the list of those just looking to push political agendas.


PS: Just to clarify, I don't blame Turtle, Kal or Kaine for commenting on what was being reported at the time. They commented based on the information they have. That's one thing which makes me different from you...consistency.
 
Yes. He is a public politician on the national scale, of course he would have expressed condolences for any attack.

That wasn't an intentionally violent attack. It was a bus driver who was careless which cost lives. Big difference in intent.

I understand the point you're making. And you very well MIGHT be correct. But, in this instance, we know you are not. We know reports said gun violence and we know he corrected when media did. Those are the facts.

Perhaps we can move it to the Politically Correct forum, since the OP obviously was offended by the word gun. We need to provide a safe space. ;)

The huge an obvious difference is that "gun violence" was not replaced with "knife violence" and/or "car violence" - suddenly the tools used by the criminal lack any special importance at all. That is the key as to why the thread was placed here.

As to the intent (motive), I seriously doubt that makes the act (causing multiple student victims) any less "horrifying and senseless" to the victims, their families or their friends.
 
No, you didn't. Asking me a question which did not address my comment was not answering my question. Like I said, I did not expect an honest answer and I did not receive one.

No, you didn't imply anything. But I'll accept this as your answer.

Like I said your reading comprehension is nonexistent

So let me see if I have this correct. When TurtleDude and Kal'Stang comment on it being gun violence, that's okay, but when Kaine does it, it's not. In other words, when people whose political opinions you like say the same thing as those whose political opinions you don't, it's only okay when it's said by those you agree with.

I guess we can add another to the list of those just looking to push political agendas.


PS: Just to clarify, I don't blame Turtle, Kal or Kaine for commenting on what was being reported at the time. They commented based on the information they have. That's one thing which makes me different from you...consistency.

Once again you dont have it correct, you have not once in this entire thread had it correct. I have already explained the difference between talking about a subject with misinformation and using that misinformation to push a political agenda. You seem to have no ability to differentiate the two and I see no possibility of you acquiring that ability in the near future so this discussion is effectively over. You can have the final word if you wish, I however will no be reading nor responding to it.
 
I'm sure you meant to put that and just forgot, right?

Nope I got it right first time. He never even bothered to check. Just used the opportunity to propagandise the event. Have you got anything that says different?
 
As long as they can deflect from Islamic extremists committing acts of terror anything is a better spin - even an internet video. ;)

Meanwhile, senseless acts of gun violence continue in the our "hoods" where gangs fight each other over the criminal control of distribution of banned, so called "controlled", substances.

Do you suggest removing guns from civilians will change that?
 
Tim Kaine initially blames 'gun violence' for Ohio State car-and-knife attack - Washington TimesSen. Tim Kaine said Monday he was saddened by the “senseless act of gun violence” at Ohio State University, even though the attacker used a butcher knife and a car.

Eleven people were injured in a rampage by Somali-born student Abdul Razak Ali Artan, who drove into a crowd on a sidewalk and then chased bystanders with a knife in what is being investigated as a possible act of terrorism.
He was shot and killed by Ohio State Police Officer Alan Horujko.


Mr. Kaine was blasted by those who charged him with trying to politicize the tragedy.
The only guns used were by the police.




Tim Kaine-the geeky Grinch who tried to steal Christmas-is another reactionary bannerrhoid politician. Thank God he won't be in office nationally
 
He simply repeated what the media was saying at the time. He's hardly the only one to do that. Hell, even the most devoted follower of the Gun Control forum, TurtleDude, was posting it was an active shooter situation.

So, tell me...did TurtleDude run his mouth off like a ****king moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda? Is that your argument? How about Kal'Stang, when he posted multiple people were shot? Was he running his mouth off like a ****ing moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda?

I'll bet dollars to donuts you don't get back to me with an honest answer to my questions.

what are you blathering about me for? I merely reported what the media was calling it. I never politicized it at the time I watched FOUR different local news reports and they all said there was an active shooter on campus.

Fruitcake Kaine tried to use it to advance his bannerhoid obsessions
 
He simply repeated what the media was saying at the time. He's hardly the only one to do that. Hell, even the most devoted follower of the Gun Control forum, TurtleDude, was posting it was an active shooter situation.

So, tell me...did TurtleDude run his mouth off like a ****king moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda? Is that your argument? How about Kal'Stang, when he posted multiple people were shot? Was he running his mouth off like a ****ing moron to push his bull**** anti gun agenda?

I'll bet dollars to donuts you don't get back to me with an honest answer to my questions.

[h=1]Tim Kaine on Gun Control: “I Can’t Think of an Issue I’d Rather be Aligned With Than This”[/h] When presented the opportunity to vote to protect the rights of law-abiding gun owners, Kaine declined to do so.


In May 2000, Tim Kaine, then-mayor of Richmond, Va., used more than $6,000 in public funds to charter eight buses. The buses were used to transport city residents from Richmond to the anti-gun, and inaccurately named, Million Mom March in Washington, D.C.
I support a comprehensive approach to curb gun violence which includes expanding mental health services, background record checks prior to gun purchases and responsible limits on combat-style weapons and high-capacity magazines.

I’ve been disappointed to see the Senate block commonsense legislation to address these issues but will continue to advocate for ways to make our country safer.


Following a public outcry over the use of public funds for political purposes, including criticism from Richmond City Council members, Kaine was forced to seek private funds to reimburse the city. Despite the disapproval of citizens and his fellow public officials, Kaine was reluctant to admit wrongdoing, with the Richmond Times-Dispatch noting, “Kaine defended the subsidy on the ground that Richmond always has supported stricter gun laws.” At the time, the Times-Dispatch also reported that in regard to gun control, Kaine said, “I can’t think of an issue I’d rather be aligned with than this.”
This gross misuse of taxpayer dollars to advocate for extreme gun controls is indicative of Kaine’s 20 year public career, during which he has ceaselessly attacked the rights of law-abiding gun owners. In choosing Kaine as her running mate, Hillary Clinton has chosen one of the rare politicians that comes close to matching her zeal for restricting gun rights.
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I supported the Manchin-Toomey bill, which would have required background checks on all commercial sales of guns, including sales at gun shows and internet sales, as well as strengthened the existing instant check system by encouraging states to put all their available records into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). In addition, I cosponsored legislation to close a loophole that allows gun sales to proceed if a background check is not completed after 72 hours, even if the gun buyer is not legally allowed to purchase a gun. I also authored the Responsible Transfer of Firearms Act,which would hold people responsible if they sell or transfer a firearm to someone who is barred by federal law from possessing firearms. Ultimately, efforts to reduce gun violence must focus on multiple solutions, but passage of these bills would be an important step in the right direction.

There is no such thing as a reasonable gun control law. If there was like all gun control laws it would not work

If he supports the second amendment how come he cannot see the words shall not be infringed?

How many donuts would that be?
 
Do you suggest removing guns from civilians will change that?

Nope, that would require stemming user demand for the gangs' products - locking up many millions of folks that buy these "street drugs".
 
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