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Trump To Push For Nationwide Concealed Carry

Can barely get an instate permit in some counties.

That's how we protect a lot of innocent people. Carrying guns around is something only for cops and robbers.
 
me too.

It sounds nice on its face, but think of the legal precedent it might set.
I still think it best if individual states make reciprocal agreements between themselves.

I have not entertained getting a CCW because of the harassment out-of-state holders get by LEOs in gun hating states.
There are several cases where they were pulled over simply because their vehicle was flagged by tag number as having an owner who has a CCW.
Once pulled over they rip the vehicle apart looking to the weapon that the owner had left at home in his home state.
Not finding one, they then go on a fishing expedition to find something, anything to nail them for.
After all, they are a hated gun owner and must be held in check, and made an example of, in their fair state.

This has happened in MD, NY, IL, MA, and several other gun hating states.
Once you get that CCW, your vehicle tags are flagged by every LEO organization in the country.

The problem is that those places you mention, and others, are the very places where one would very much like to be carrying.
 
me too.

It sounds nice on its face, but think of the legal precedent it might set.
I still think it best if individual states make reciprocal agreements between themselves.

I have not entertained getting a CCW because of the harassment out-of-state holders get by LEOs in gun hating states.
There are several cases where they were pulled over simply because their vehicle was flagged by tag number as having an owner who has a CCW.
Once pulled over they rip the vehicle apart looking to the weapon that the owner had left at home in his home state.
Not finding one, they then go on a fishing expedition to find something, anything to nail them for.
After all, they are a hated gun owner and must be held in check, and made an example of, in their fair state.

This has happened in MD, NY, IL, MA, and several other gun hating states.
Once you get that CCW, your vehicle tags are flagged by every LEO organization in the country.

I don't think it's gun hating: it's gun carrying people who cause the trouble.

Remember, guns are just inanimate objects... at least, that's the rumor.
 
to a point it is, however federal law could be passed to prevent further federal law meant to restrict.

Would love to see the Feds get out of more restrictions.
 
I actually have some reservations about that based on my view of federalism and state powers.

You'd be more comfortable with a more restrictive "state" law over a laxer "federal" law?
 
The bolded above is a problem in that it turns a right into a state issued privilege. A right exists unless removed by due process whereas a privilege must be earned - often at considerable expense.

Open carry is a right. Concealed carry has been ruled by SCOTUS (correct me if I'm wrong) to be a privilege that can be regulated. But, I see your point and do not completely disagree with it.
 
Can't carry in California with an out of state permit.

I know that. I disagree with it, because the 2nd Amendment has been Incorporated to the states by the 14th Amendment per the SCOTUS (Heller, McDonald, et al). I was describing my opinion on how nationwide concealed carry could done in the future, not how it is now.
 
I know that. I disagree with it, because the 2nd Amendment has been Incorporated to the states by the 14th Amendment per the SCOTUS (Heller, McDonald, et al). I was describing my opinion on how nationwide concealed carry could done in the future, not how it is now.

Yeah, I know what you're saying, and on its surface I would agree with you. Yet when we look into what a problem that can be; mixing gun laws, we leave ourselves wide open for all sorts of trouble with the criminal justice system. I think it's just best to respect Roman law when in Rome.
 
You'd be more comfortable with a more restrictive "state" law over a laxer "federal" law?

Here is the issue I have. Ohio requires someone to pass a shooting test Its easy and should be easy for anyone who actually knows how to fire a pistol. I think people who are going to carry pistols in public ought to be able to shoot competently. Now some states don't require a shooting test. So if we pass this we have some people carrying on our street who may not be able to shoot competently. That is an issue
 
The City is its own world. We (I'm a native) get what we want and keep it that way. California is very smart when it comes to guns and for a state of 40 million and a huge gang problem, we have comparatively few shootings except in isolated crime areas.

LOL, california is idiotic when it comes to guns. They don't trust honest people to have detachable magazine rifles for example. 3000 dollar 22 short target pistols have been banned as "assault weapons" by the land of fruits and nuts. its time federal courts start bitch slapping Californian politicians around
 
Here is the issue I have. Ohio requires someone to pass a shooting test Its easy and should be easy for anyone who actually knows how to fire a pistol. I think people who are going to carry pistols in public ought to be able to shoot competently. Now some states don't require a shooting test. So if we pass this we have some people carrying on our street who may not be able to shoot competently. That is an issue

I'm with you there. You can't have people possessing guns when they don't even know how to hold one.
 
me too.

It sounds nice on its face, but think of the legal precedent it might set.
I still think it best if individual states make reciprocal agreements between themselves.

I have not entertained getting a CCW because of the harassment out-of-state holders get by LEOs in gun hating states.
There are several cases where they were pulled over simply because their vehicle was flagged by tag number as having an owner who has a CCW.
Once pulled over they rip the vehicle apart looking to the weapon that the owner had left at home in his home state.
Not finding one, they then go on a fishing expedition to find something, anything to nail them for.
After all, they are a hated gun owner and must be held in check, and made an example of, in their fair state.

This has happened in MD, NY, IL, MA, and several other gun hating states.
Once you get that CCW, your vehicle tags are flagged by every LEO organization in the country.

hmm interesting, I've never heard of that. I must be lucky. I drive into and through MD from PA at least 6 times a year but have never been bothered. I was even pulled over once but it went down as a normal stop, nothign "extra" but other than MD and ohio im mostly in states that have reciprocity with pa.
 
Yeah, I know what you're saying, and on its surface I would agree with you. Yet when we look into what a problem that can be; mixing gun laws, we leave ourselves wide open for all sorts of trouble with the criminal justice system. I think it's just best to respect Roman law when in Rome.

Like making people ride in the back of the bus, or having to use separate restrooms, or not being allowed to eat at the lunch counter like it used to be in Rome, Georgia?

Read the Constitution, specifically Article IV, Section 2 - "The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states ...", and the 14th Amendment, Section 1 - "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; ..."
 
The City is its own world. We (I'm a native) get what we want and keep it that way. California is very smart when it comes to guns and for a state of 40 million and a huge gang problem, we have comparatively few shootings except in isolated crime areas.

Those damn guns just sitting there looking all suspicious and stuff. You just never know what those little bastards are up too.
 
I actually have some reservations about that based on my view of federalism and state powers.

It would protect people that have concealed carry from getting in trouble with other states that do not allow it.
I know that has happened.
 
I'm with you there. You can't have people possessing guns when they don't even know how to hold one.

they can possess them all they want in their homes. I don't support a test to merely own a firearm. I do support people being able to demonstrate safe gun handling and shooting competency to carry on the public streets concealed.
 
hmm interesting, I've never heard of that. I must be lucky. I drive into and through MD from PA at least 6 times a year but have never been bothered. I was even pulled over once but it went down as a normal stop, nothign "extra" but other than MD and ohio im mostly in states that have reciprocity with pa.
Probably because of the rainbow sticker on your back window.
 
they can possess them all they want in their homes. I don't support a test to merely own a firearm. I do support people being able to demonstrate safe gun handling and shooting competency to carry on the public streets concealed.

"In their homes" is where most idiots "accidentally" shoot themselves.
 
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