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Another reason why most cops favor CCW licenses for honest citizens

we don't have to make a case-its a constitutional right. what is really pathetic is how weak the case is for disarming honest citizens which of course is what you want no matter how much you pretend its not so.

that you are unable to comprehend the fact that people have a right to do anything they want unless and until government makes a very strong case for the contrary. and you cannot. we don't have to prove we need to be armed. we had that right from the start. BM members such as you have to prove why you want a society where only the government and criminals are armed.

You're right, you don't need to make a case because logical reasoning is typically not involved in a desire to arm laymen in the name of safety.

People have a legal entitlement to abuse alcohol, that doesn't mean that they should. I was not criticizing the armament in those who are trained.
 
His wet dream came true! How do cops assess honesty before issuing a CCW permit?
You don't. The right to bear arms should allow every US citizen to carry a concealed weapon until they do something to warrant taking away their rights. Otherwise it is a government granted privilege. The government should treat all citizens equally. That is the first step towards corruption is when a government starts issuing privileges to certain people instead of treating everyone equally.
 
You're right, you don't need to make a case because logical reasoning is typically not involved in a desire to arm laymen in the name of safety.

People have a legal entitlement to abuse alcohol, that doesn't mean that they should. I was not criticizing the armament in those who are trained.

you're upset that honest people can own firearms in the USA
 
No, i am not. I am concerned about citizens being generally encouraged to arm themselves in the name of safety.

given so few honest citizens misuse firearms and given far more crimes are prevented by armed citizens than crimes committed by legally armed citizens, your fears appear to be based on a lack of information
 
No, i am not. I am concerned about citizens being generally encouraged to arm themselves in the name of safety.

What is wrong with me being able to protect myself, my family, and anyone else who needs protecting.
 
What is wrong with me being able to protect myself, my family, and anyone else who needs protecting.

people who own firearms and make their own safety a personal duty and accept the risk of that responsibility are far less likely to cede their rights to the government and are thus, far less likely to vote for the nanny state politicians. If you notice, almost every anti gun poster is also a left-winger and what bothers them is the voting patterns of gun owners Not armed criminals who tend to be their allies
 
given so few honest citizens misuse firearms and given far more crimes are prevented by armed citizens than crimes committed by legally armed citizens, your fears appear to be based on a lack of information

You didn't cite any facts. Young children all too frequently slay their irresponsible parents.
 
What is wrong with me being able to protect myself, my family, and anyone else who needs protecting.

How the hell should i know and what does that have to do with what i'm talking about?
 
You didn't cite any facts. Young children all too frequently slay their irresponsible parents.

there are 300-400 million firearms in the USA. how many times does this happen. and what sort of law would stop that?
 
there are 300-400 million firearms in the USA. how many times does this happen. and what sort of law would stop that?

Telling people that firearms make them safer is a lie. Firearms do not necessarily make someone safer, in fact, the prevalence of accidents demonstrates that certain people would have been better off without firearms.
 
Telling people that firearms make them safer is a lie. Firearms do not necessarily make someone safer, in fact, the prevalence of accidents demonstrates that certain people would have been better off without firearms.

How is it a lie. I shot my way out of a mugging. having a firearm increased my safer. So you are lying yet again. for most honest citizens, having a gun allows them to stop hundreds of thousands of crimes a year
 
You didn't cite any facts. Young children all too frequently slay their irresponsible parents.

FBI figures also show there are twice as many people killed by the accidental discharge of their weapon than they killed in self defence
 
FBI figures also show there are twice as many people killed by the accidental discharge of their weapon than they killed in self defence

Killing people in self defense is not the only utility of a firearm.

Alcohol kills 88,000 people per year. What's the usefulness of alcohol?
 
Killing people in self defense is not the only utility of a firearm.

Alcohol kills 88,000 people per year. What's the usefulness of alcohol?

Have you ever tried killing someone with alcohol ?
 
Have you ever tried killing someone with alcohol ?

No. It doesn't change the numbers. You cite a figure that includes firearms deaths by all causes, so to focus on just homicides now is deceitful.
 
You're right, you don't need to make a case because logical reasoning is typically not involved in a desire to arm laymen in the name of safety.

People have a legal entitlement to abuse alcohol

Do not be asinine, explain the non-existent legal right you are referring to.

that doesn't mean that they should. I was not criticizing the armament in those who are trained.

Oh! an elitist. What does training do that cannot be done in ten minutes of instruction?
 
No. It doesn't change the numbers. You cite a figure that includes firearms deaths by all causes, so to focus on just homicides now is deceitful.

Given that unlike the rest of the developed world it is far and away the number one cause of your greatly inflated homicide numbers I hardly think so :roll:
 
Given that unlike the rest of the developed world it is far and away the number one cause of your greatly inflated homicide numbers I hardly think so :roll:

Again you lie, you have not shown causality nor has anyone else. You are baiting and trolling because you have been shown the falsity of this claim many times
 
FBI figures also show there are twice as many people killed by the accidental discharge of their weapon than they killed in self defence

All 500 of them in the whole of the USA in comparison to how many are killed by falling or drowning in swimming pools it pales into insignificance.

Numbers don't lie swimming pools are more dangerous than firearms.
 
Telling people that firearms make them safer is a lie. Firearms do not necessarily make someone safer, in fact, the prevalence of accidents demonstrates that certain people would have been better off without firearms.

The presence of 500 accidental deaths from 150 million guns is significant? How?

Telling people they are safer without a firearm is a lie. There are 23 studies on self-defence with a gun and all of them show the overwhelming success.
 
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Have you ever tried killing someone with alcohol ?

A lot of people manage to do it all on their own.

Have you ever tried killing anyone?
 
You didn't cite any facts. Young children all too frequently slay their irresponsible parents.

I see you did not cite any facts either had you done so you probably would have felt differently about making such an erroneous claim.

CDC 505 deaths due to accidental/negligent discharge of a firearm
 
No, i am not. I am concerned about citizens being generally encouraged to arm themselves in the name of safety.

This video amply demonstrates the delusion CCP really represents as police professionals demonstrate here just how much more likely it is that they will be the ones shot in any armed confrontation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY3WiO9s

They also make it clear that participation in gun clubs shooting at paper targets etc is no substitute for realistic and ongoing training which involve the sort of time and expense few can indulge.

Why would anyone choose to live as though they were entering a daily combat zone ?
 
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This video amply demonstrates the delusion CCP really represents as police professionals demonstrate here just how much more likely it is that they will be the ones shot in any armed confrontation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY3WiO9s

They also make it clear that participation in gun clubs shooting at paper targets etc is no substitute for realistic and ongoing training which involve the sort of time and expense few can indulge.

Why would anyone choose to live as though they were entering a daily combat zone ?

Do you typically take a single data point and extrapolate a curve, while ignoring any other existing data points?
 
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