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mbig

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Not being PC, in fact, loving to bust it, it appears to me the problem is Not guns.
These two controversial websites look right according to the NYPD/NYC.gov report, and all other stats I can find, including Wiki's entry on the latter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Century_Foundation#The_Color_of_Crime
which do Not dispute the numbers, just rationale.
If true, we are very possibly blaming guns for 'civilizational' problems.
Enough disclaimer:


1. 89% of all Crime in NYC Nonwhite
March 4, 2016 - by A.N. Wyatte
89% of all Crime in NYC Nonwhite - The New Observer

Nonwhites commit 89% of all crime in New York City, including 97.7% of all shootings, 96% of all robberies, 94.2% of all Murders, 94.9% of all Juvenile Felony and Misdemeanor crimes, and 90.6% of all rapes.

These figures are contained in the New York City Police Department’s latest “Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City” report, which covers the dates January 1 to December 31, 2015. It can be found on the New York Government website here (PDF).
NYPD Report - Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City

The report is almost Unique in present-day America because it Openly presents statistics on race and crime compiled from the New York City Police Department’s records management system—statistics that are most often Suppressed by other police departments.

In addition, the NYPD breaks down the racial categories correctly, listing “Hispanic” separately instead of grouping it together with “white,” which is what most of the US government does (thereby artificially inflating the “white” crime levels).​


2. 'Color of Crime' update/summary excerpts
The Color of Crime | American Renaissance

Crime rates

There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the Lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups. In 2013, a black was Six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.
......
Urban centers

In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for Murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting”—defined as firing a Bullet that hits someone—a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.

If New York City were all white, the Murder rate would drop by 91%, the robbery rate by 81%, and the Shootings rate by 97%.
In an all-white Chicago, Murder would decline 90%, rape by 81%, and robbery by 90%.
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Have at it!
 
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mbig said:
Not being PC, in fact, loving to bust it, it appears to me the problem is Not guns.
These two controversial websites look right according to the NYPD/NYC.gov report, and all other stats I can find, including Wiki's entry on the latter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Century_Foundation#The_Color_of_Crime
which do Not dispute the numbers, just rationale.
If true, we are very possibly blaming guns for 'civilizational' problems.
Enough disclaimer:


1. 89% of all Crime in NYC Nonwhite
March 4, 2016 - by A.N. Wyatte
89% of all Crime in NYC Nonwhite - The New Observer

Nonwhites commit 89% of all crime in New York City, including 97.7% of all shootings, 96% of all robberies, 94.2% of all Murders, 94.9% of all Juvenile Felony and Misdemeanor crimes, and 90.6% of all rapes.

These figures are contained in the New York City Police Department’s latest “Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City” report, which covers the dates January 1 to December 31, 2015. It can be found on the New York Government website here (PDF).
NYPD Report - Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City

The report is almost Unique in present-day America because it Openly presents statistics on race and crime compiled from the New York City Police Department’s records management system—statistics that are most often Suppressed by other police departments.

In addition, the NYPD breaks down the racial categories correctly, listing “Hispanic” separately instead of grouping it together with “white,” which is what most of the US government does (thereby artificially inflating the “white” crime levels).​


2. 'Color of Crime' update/summary excerpts
The Color of Crime | American Renaissance

Crime rates

There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the Lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups. In 2013, a black was Six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.
......
Urban centers

In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for Murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting”—defined as firing a Bullet that hits someone—a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.

If New York City were all white, the Murder rate would drop by 91%, the robbery rate by 81%, and the Shootings rate by 97%.
In an all-white Chicago, Murder would decline 90%, rape by 81%, and robbery by 90%.
.....​

Have at it!
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I think the thrust of what you cited is pretty well known to those of us who actually are active on the gun debate. I have noted for years, that the rate of gun violence among white americans is really pretty much the same as whites living in Eurosocialist regimes with silly gun control restrictions.

and since gun control laws mainly impact legal gun owners, such laws target the wrong groups
 
mbig said:
Not being PC, in fact, loving to bust it, it appears to me the problem is Not guns.
These two controversial websites look right according to the NYPD/NYC.gov report, and all other stats I can find, including Wiki's entry on the latter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Century_Foundation#The_Color_of_Crime
which do Not dispute the numbers, just rationale.
If true, we are very possibly blaming guns for 'civilizational' problems.
Enough disclaimer:


1. 89% of all Crime in NYC Nonwhite
March 4, 2016 - by A.N. Wyatte
89% of all Crime in NYC Nonwhite - The New Observer

Nonwhites commit 89% of all crime in New York City, including 97.7% of all shootings, 96% of all robberies, 94.2% of all Murders, 94.9% of all Juvenile Felony and Misdemeanor crimes, and 90.6% of all rapes.

These figures are contained in the New York City Police Department’s latest “Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City” report, which covers the dates January 1 to December 31, 2015. It can be found on the New York Government website here (PDF).
NYPD Report - Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City

The report is almost Unique in present-day America because it Openly presents statistics on race and crime compiled from the New York City Police Department’s records management system—statistics that are most often Suppressed by other police departments.

In addition, the NYPD breaks down the racial categories correctly, listing “Hispanic” separately instead of grouping it together with “white,” which is what most of the US government does (thereby artificially inflating the “white” crime levels).​


2. 'Color of Crime' update/summary excerpts
The Color of Crime | American Renaissance

Crime rates

There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the Lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups. In 2013, a black was Six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.
......
Urban centers

In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for Murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting”—defined as firing a Bullet that hits someone—a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.

If New York City were all white, the Murder rate would drop by 91%, the robbery rate by 81%, and the Shootings rate by 97%.
In an all-white Chicago, Murder would decline 90%, rape by 81%, and robbery by 90%.
.....​

Have at it!
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SO, is it the color of their skin or other factors, enlighten us..............
 
Casper said:
SO, is it the color of their skin or other factors, enlighten us..............
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Certainly Melanin does not affect crime.
But to the small extent it represents other SETS of features that comprise race, I believe it does, and we have discussed this many times here.
ie
What are the crime rates of the Same peoples if/when Not in the USA or it's 'inner cities'?

Africans+have+relatively+higher+rates+of+violent+crime+in+every+_fb9df9a51bc0240afe17a4bad3a006be.png


Much higher everywhere, from South of the border, to Africa, to the Caribbean, to London.

But certainly "Socio-economic" is a factor to some extent.
Tho given the means/money to afford a gun, some of those areas might have higher murder rates yet.

What about you? You make only insinuation.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I think the thrust of what you cited is pretty well known to those of us who actually are active on the gun debate. I have noted for years, that the rate of gun violence among white americans is really pretty much the same as whites living in Eurosocialist regimes with silly gun control restrictions.

and since gun control laws mainly impact legal gun owners, such laws target the wrong groups
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What's despicable as well, is when you watch the 'News'/CNN etc and they want to discuss race and crime.
But all they ever 'discuss' is 'blacks' get stopped disproportionately, or get longer sentences for drugs.
NO one ever mentions the Wildly inordinate frequency of their violent crime rates.
NO one ever bothers/knows that they Commit Violent crimes at 5-8x the wider population rate. (and the same to a lesser extent with 'hispanics.').
The stats I posted above were even a shock to me whose known the basics for years. 97.7% of all shooting in NYC?
And basically 90% of All crime in NYC and Chicago.

I mean, that's probably Half of our expensive Justice system: Police, Courts, Jails, etc. (and Fear)
Society is hemorrhaging resources/money because of the few.
Let's see that (or any of the OP) on Race-conscious/Race-Justice CNN et al.
 
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mbig said:
Certainly Melanin does not affect crime.
But to the small extent it represents other SETS of features that comprise race, I believe it does, and we have discussed this many times here.
ie
What are the crime rates of the Same peoples if/when Not in the USA or it's 'inner cities'?

Africans+have+relatively+higher+rates+of+violent+crime+in+every+_fb9df9a51bc0240afe17a4bad3a006be.png


Much higher everywhere, from South of the border, to Africa, to the Caribbean, to London.

But certainly "Socio-economic" is a factor to some extent.
Tho given the means/money to afford a gun, some of those areas might have higher murder rates yet.

What about you? You make only insinuation.
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Yes, see the bold above.
 
Casper said:
Yes, see the bold above.
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1. I can see your not big on words, or backing/refuting anything.

2. You left out the other 95% of my post explaining why that was only partially (and probably in minority) true as their crime rates are similar worldwide.

3. ie, [Even] Poor 'whites', and especially very Low crime Poor Asians, do Not have near the same rates as either of the overall populations of either of the minorities in question. Nor do they worldwide in their own countries.

4. "See the bold below" In YOUR post from This very AM. One of the few of the 51 that's more than one line.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ice-dept-investagate-nope.html#post1066505175
Casper said:
I agree and have since the term first came up. Those that commit crimes do so for a wide range of motives, but it is the Actual Crime that Matters, murder and assault are Still murder and assault No Matter what the Motive. Oh, and I would throw in spousal abuse, stop treating it a simple family dispute, why is it that is a person that assaults their spouse is treated differently from someone that assaults someone down the street, utter nonsense.
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:^)
 
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mbig said:
1. I can see your not big on words, or backing/refuting anything.

2. You left out the other 95% of my post explaining why that was only partially (and probably in minority) true as their crime rates are similar worldwide.

3. ie, [Even] Poor 'whites', and especially very Low crime Poor Asians, do Not have near the same rates as either of the overall populations of either of the minorities in question. Nor do they worldwide in their own countries.

4. "See the bold below" In YOUR post from This very AM. One of the few of the 51 that's more than one line.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ice-dept-investagate-nope.html#post1066505175
:^)
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Just so ya know, Slick, I know where you are coming from with your BS, yes, that is exactly what it is.

You stalking me now? You might think twice about going down that road, if that is even possible on your part.
 
Casper said:
Just so ya know, Slick, I know where you are coming from with your BS, yes, that is exactly what it is.
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It doesn't matter where you THINK "I'm coming from."
What matters is if you can REFUTE where "I'm coming from."
"Slick" and "BS", do NOT do that: it's pure ad hom/TROLLING.


Casper said:
You stalking me now? You might think twice about going down that road, if that is even possible on your part.
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Using one of your own "Crime" posts here from earlier today as refutation, is Not "stalking," it's debate!
You've again avoided All the stats/rationale I posted.

IOW, your posts have NO Topical Content. Zero.
You just don't like what you read, and because you have no rebuttal, Evade with no meat, just juvenile insult/trolling.
Please post ON TOPIC (contrary facts) or withdraw.
thx
 
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TurtleDude said:
I think the thrust of what you cited is pretty well known to those of us who actually are active on the gun debate. I have noted for years, that the rate of gun violence among white americans is really pretty much the same as whites living in Eurosocialist regimes with silly gun control restrictions.

and since gun control laws mainly impact legal gun owners, such laws target the wrong groups
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Even in ie, London, the lesser problem with "guns" is the about Same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Race_and_crime_in_London

Race and crime in London

Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6% of London's population of 7,556,900 were Black.[23]
[.......]
In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[2] The figures showed that the Majority of males who were accused of Violent crimes in 2009–10 were Black.
Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54% accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59%; and for gun crimes, 67%.[25] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[26] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people.[27]
[......]
In London in 2006, 75% of the victims of Gun crime and 79% of the suspects were "from the African/Caribbean community."[31]​

Little known, but of course, consistent.
Nearly 80% of Gun crimes in London are committed by (the 10%) Black Englishmen.
Who would have guessed. Who would tell you the truth?
 
TurtleDude said:
I think the thrust of what you cited is pretty well known to those of us who actually are active on the gun debate. I have noted for years, that the rate of gun violence among white americans is really pretty much the same as whites living in Eurosocialist regimes with silly gun control restrictions.

and since gun control laws mainly impact legal gun owners, such laws target the wrong groups
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Ditto!
 
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