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I Dispute This Commercial by the NRA

Bob N said:
Nontheless, Sir, where does she state that unequivocally --what Kristi stated in that video?
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The holding of Heller is that individuals have a right to a gun for personal defense, including handguns.

Hillary says Heller was wrongly-decided. So, there you go.

And no, Hillary can't be referring to "reasonable limits" on the right to a gun; the Court, in Heller, presented quite a few reasonable limits. If she says it's wrongly-decided, then she's saying people don't have a right to a gun for self-defense.
 
Harshaw said:
The holding of Heller is that individuals have a right to a gun for personal defense, including handguns.

Hillary says Heller was wrongly-decided. So, there you go.

And no, Hillary can't be referring to "reasonable limits" on the right to a gun; the Court, in Heller, presented quite a few reasonable limits. If she says it's wrongly-decided, then she's saying people don't have a right to a gun for self-defense.
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If a politician says ROE v WADE was wrongly decided, or should be overturned, liberals have no problem (and correctly IMHO) noting that said politician wants states to have the power to ban abortion or severely curtail it. Yet many of these same liberals are unable to understand (or publicly admit more likely) that if a Politician says Heller should be reversed or overturned, that Politician wants government to have the power to ban guns
 
OrphanSlug said:
There is nothing rational about the 2nd Amendment debate any longer, and the political realm of this subject is even more absurd.
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It's never been about politics, it's about money.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Meanwhile........... the "Wench" claims that Australia's gun control is a model to look at.

She is a lying bitch.

You can expect ads like this when Hillary is in the picture.
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And since you know so much about the issue, I'm sure you can enlighten us further with concrete examples of how Hillary Clinton has said she wants to keep women from owning guns and abolish the second amendment.
 
jet57 said:
And since you know so much about the issue, I'm sure you can enlighten us further with concrete examples of how Hillary Clinton has said she wants to keep women from owning guns and abolish the second amendment.
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Anyone who states openly, that the Australian gun laws are something that we need to look into..................... definitely qualifies for the statement that I made.

So...... if you can take the time to educate yourself about the restrictions for hand guns in Australia........then come back for a debate

Where did I say she was going to eliminate the 2nd amendment? You are already lying if you say that I said that.........so don't go there.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Anyone who states openly, that the Australian gun laws are something that we need to look into..................... definitely qualifies for the statement that I made.

So...... if you can take the time to educate yourself about the restrictions for hand guns in Australia........then come back for a debate

Where did I say she was going to eliminate the 2nd amendment? You are already lying if you say that I said that.........so don't go there.
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Okay, so you can't show any proof that Clinton wants to keep women from owning guns and wants to abolish the second amendment.
 
jet57 said:
Okay, so you can't show any proof that Clinton wants to keep women from owning guns and wants to abolish the second amendment.
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You accused me of saying that she wants to kill the 2nd amendment.

Do you want to keep up with this nonsense without acknowledging that you lied about what I typed?

And........if you understood Australian gun laws, you would shut your pie hole about the lady having a right to have that gun under the same laws.

You just made a total fool out of yourself with a lie, and then keep passing over the fact that Hillary openly stated that we need to look into Australian guns laws.

Don't play this crap with me............you know what she said in the video.
 
TurtleDude said:
If a politician says ROE v WADE was wrongly decided, or should be overturned, liberals have no problem (and correctly IMHO) noting that said politician wants states to have the power to ban abortion or severely curtail it. Yet many of these same liberals are unable to understand (or publicly admit more likely) that if a Politician says Heller should be reversed or overturned, that Politician wants government to have the power to ban guns
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Pretty much.

There's really not that much to Heller; if you think it's wrongly decided, then you don't think people have the right to own a gun for personal defense. That's the only thing it can mean.
 
RetiredUSN said:
You accused me of saying that she wants to kill the 2nd amendment.

Do you want to keep up with this nonsense without acknowledging that you lied about what I typed?

And........if you understood Australian gun laws, you would shut your pie hole about the lady having a right to have that gun under the same laws.

You just made a total fool out of yourself with a lie, and then keep passing over the fact that Hillary openly stated that we need to look into Australian guns laws.

Don't play this crap with me............you know what she said in the video.
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Here's what I said:
And since you know so much about the issue, I'm sure you can enlighten us further with concrete examples of how Hillary Clinton has said she wants to keep women from owning guns and abolish the second amendment.
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Now; point out where I quoted you...

Secondly, I do understand the Australian gun laws, and they work: if one can pass, one can get a gun.

So, as you can see, I haven't lied about you or anything else. As you can see, you cannot come forward with a compelling demonstrative argument that shows Hillary Clinton to be the anti gun zealot that you think she is. And - looking into what the Australian gun laws are working for a compare and contrast on a national level is a very good idea to help us deal with our own gun violence problem.

so, I'm afraid that fora credible argument, you're just outta luck.
 
Bob N said:
Please watch this:



Where does Hillary Clinton state that a sane, law abiding woman does not have the right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses?
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The problem with your post is this...

The woman in the video makes this statement: "Every woman has a right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses. Hillary Clinton disagrees with that."

That is quite different than YOUR question about "...a sane, law abiding woman...etc."

In this ad, the woman is correct. Hillary Clinton does not believe "every woman has a right...", only those women who meet HER requirements.

You moved goalposts.

Furthermore, the 2nd Amendment agrees with the woman in the ad. The right to keep and bear arms is not conditional...and the amendment clearly says that right shall not be infringed.

Hillary wants to infringe that right.
 
jet57 said:
Here's what I said:

Now; point out where I quoted you...

Secondly, I do understand the Australian gun laws, and they work: if one can pass, one can get a gun.

So, as you can see, I haven't lied about you or anything else. As you can see, you cannot come forward with a compelling demonstrative argument that shows Hillary Clinton to be the anti gun zealot that you think she is. And - looking into what the Australian gun laws are working for a compare and contrast on a national level is a very good idea to help us deal with our own gun violence problem.

so, I'm afraid that fora credible argument, you're just outta luck.
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You quoted that I said.......that Hillary was going to try and kill the 2nd Amendment.

Let's answer that before you cowardly dodge again...............OK?

You said it in your post......therefore you lied!

You have zero credibility with me, and you are certainly not worth exchanging words with. I gave you two chances to answer for your lie and you cowardly dodged.
 
Bob N said:
Please watch this:



Where does Hillary Clinton state that a sane, law abiding woman does not have the right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses?
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Are you kidding it is a political ad. Have you seen Hillarys ads? Voters should be informed, but both campaigns know they aren't. That is why they both have ads that stretch the truth.
 
RetiredUSN said:
You quoted that I said.......that Hillary was going to try and kill the 2nd Amendment.

Let's answer that before you cowardly dodge again...............OK?

You said it in your post......therefore you lied!

You have zero credibility with me, and you are certainly not worth exchanging words with. I gave you two chances to answer for your lie and you cowardly dodged.
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I asked YOU to show proof that SHE said that. I said noting about what you said on that subject, so you're not even close there dude.

But, you failed to back up your anti Hillary rhetoric.
 
spud_meister said:
Australia does not allow possession of guns for self defence.
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Good Grief, that took a long time.
Now the Op can go back to repeating that she never said those exact words nonsense, and ignore what sort of gun laws she does support.
 
jet57 said:
And since you know so much about the issue, I'm sure you can enlighten us further with concrete examples of how Hillary Clinton has said she wants to keep women from owning guns and abolish the second amendment.
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Asked and answered.
 
jonny5 said:
Asked and answered.
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The only possible reason for Cankles to claim Heller needs to be overturned is so states and/or the federal government can ban people owning handguns or other commonly available firearms in their own homes
 
TurtleDude said:
The only possible reason for Cankles to claim Heller needs to be overturned is so states and/or the federal government can ban people owning handguns or other commonly available firearms in their own homes
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Correct. There is NO other reason for it.
 
Mycroft said:
The problem with your post is this...

The woman in the video makes this statement: "Every woman has a right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses. Hillary Clinton disagrees with that."

That is quite different than YOUR question about "...a sane, law abiding woman...etc."

In this ad, the woman is correct. Hillary Clinton does not believe "every woman has a right...", only those women who meet HER requirements.

You moved goalposts.

Furthermore, the 2nd Amendment agrees with the woman in the ad. The right to keep and bear arms is not conditional...and the amendment clearly says that right shall not be infringed.

Hillary wants to infringe that right.
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I disagree. And you didn't prove your point.
 
Bob N said:
Than you agree that the NRA advertisement is not an accurate quote of Hillary Clinton, correct?
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I am sorry but in the video.. I don't recall her saying that they were quoting Hillary Clinton.

they were instead.. pointing out accurately... as many her have done as well... that her positions on gun control... would adversely affect the ability of women to defend themselves.

I suppose you believe that voter ID laws.. that specifically target certain populations... aren't intended at all to disenfranchise voters.,... because there are no direct quotes from lawmakers that they intend to disenfranchise certain voters.....:roll:
 
jaeger19 said:
I am sorry but in the video.. I don't recall her saying that they were quoting Hillary Clinton.

they were instead.. pointing out accurately... as many her have done as well... that her positions on gun control... would adversely affect the ability of women to defend themselves.

I suppose you believe that voter ID laws.. that specifically target certain populations... aren't intended at all to disenfranchise voters.... because there are no direct quotes from lawmakers that they intend to disenfranchise certain voters.....:roll:
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No. Kristi did say that Hillary doesn't belive that a woman has a right to defend herself with a gun. Hillary has not said no such a thing.
 
Bob N said:
I disagree. And you didn't prove your point.
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LOL!!

Well, okay. You disagree. And you "claim" I didn't prove my point. Big deal.

You're not very good at this debate stuff, are you? You could at least make an attempt to support yourself.
 
jonny5 said:
Asked and answered.
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Well, you're not Retired USN, so that settles that.

But, since you've picked up the torch, perhaps you can enlighten us all on how Hillary wants to deny women gun ownership and abolish the second amendment.
 
Bob N said:
I disagree. And you didn't prove your point.
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you can disagree all you want but you are wrong and you are always wrong on gun issues. Hillary has called for the supreme court to reject the holding that individual American citizens have a constitutional right to own common firearms in their own homes for self defense.

You can pretend that means she doesn't want to ban guns all you want, but the fact remains, when you combine her desire to overturn Heller and MacDonald and with her praise of English and Australian handgun bans and bans on owning guns for self defense, intelligent people can only reach one conclusion

Hillary things governments should have the power to ban gun ownership
 
jet57 said:
Well, you're not Retired USN, so that settles that.

But, since you've picked up the torch, perhaps you can enlighten us all on how Hillary wants to deny women gun ownership and abolish the second amendment.
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Jet57 won't answer my questions but for those reading his nonsense see my post above.

The ONLY reason why Hillary would want to overturn HELLER is so governmental units could do what DC did-completely ban having a working firearm in your home for self defense
 
jet57 said:
Well, you're not Retired USN, so that settles that.

But, since you've picked up the torch, perhaps you can enlighten us all on how Hillary wants to deny women gun ownership and abolish the second amendment.
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I already did. Read up.
 
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