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citing a blogger who has no academic or professional credentials in any field relevant to this topic is a waste. Evan DeSpammer is a guy with a good academic record and excellent SJW credentials but his opinions and his hard on for John Lott doesn't substitute for the fact that he's a 26 year old professional student who mainly is a propagandist and his opinion has no worth in this area
 
citing a blogger who has no academic or professional credentials in any field relevant to this topic is a waste. Evan DeSpammer is a guy with a good academic record and excellent SJW credentials but his opinions and his hard on for John Lott doesn't substitute for the fact that he's a 26 year old professional student who mainly is a propagandist and his opinion has no worth in this area

I'm amazed once again at how many theories gun control advocates can fit to being caused by guns but can never ever explain how it happens. It is always must be the gun, therefore is the gun.

Hey look another proof..... So by rights mayhem, suicide and child death must be horrific on military bases and don't go to Switzerland were every male under 43 has a terrible assault rifle. You will be dodging bullets all day.

Junk science is junk science.
 
Hey look another proof..... So by rights mayhem, suicide and child death must be horrific on military bases and don't go to Switzerland were every male under 43 has a terrible assault rifle. You will be dodging bullets all day.

Check your info. Most people on military bases don't have guns.

And Switzerland is not like that anymore. They are basically unarmed because there's no access to ammunition.
 
Check your info. Most people on military bases don't have guns.

And Switzerland is not like that anymore. They are basically unarmed because there's no access to ammunition.

On military bases guns are ISSUED and therefore available at any time. They are not normally carried. The guns are free to control their possessors.

The Swiss cannot have MILITARY ISSUED ammunition at home where it was used to be kept in a sealed box that frightened the crap out of gun control lunatics. There is no restriction on private ammunition.
 
On military bases guns are ISSUED and therefore available at any time. They are not normally carried. The guns are free to control their possessors.

The Swiss cannot have MILITARY ISSUED ammunition at home where it was used to be kept in a sealed box that frightened the crap out of gun control lunatics. There is no restriction on private ammunition.

What sheer poppycock!

Guns on military bases are available only to the base security and law enforcement people. Only in active combat zones do people have weapons with them.

The Swiss military personnel who have guns at home are not allowed to have ammunition for those guns.......at all.

Period.
 
What sheer poppycock!

Guns on military bases are available only to the base security and law enforcement people. Only in active combat zones do people have weapons with them.

The Swiss military personnel who have guns at home are not allowed to have ammunition for those guns.......at all.

Period.

I think you are partially right but wrong about the Swiss
 
I think you are partially right but wrong about the Swiss

Why post your erroneous opinion? Why not post fact and evidence to prove it fact?

Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News

"I do as the army advises and I keep the barrel separately from my pistol," he explains seriously. "I keep the barrel in the basement so if anyone breaks into my apartment and finds the gun, it's useless to them."

He shakes out the gun holster. "And we don't get bullets any more," he adds. "The Army doesn't give ammunition now - it's all kept in a central arsenal." This measure was introduced by Switzerland's Federal Council in 2007.

Mathias carefully puts away his pistol and shakes his head firmly when I ask him if he feels safer having a gun at home, explaining that even if he had ammunition, he would not be allowed to use it against an intruder.

"The gun is not given to me to protect me or my family," he says. "I have been given this gun by my country to serve my country - and for me it is an honour to take care of it. I think it is a good thing for the state to give this responsibility to people."

This amazing and horrible situation is exactly what the GUN-HATERS want for America........effectively DISARMED and DEFENSELESS.
 
Why post your erroneous opinion? Why not post fact and evidence to prove it fact?

Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News



This amazing and horrible situation is exactly what the GUN-HATERS want for America........effectively DISARMED and DEFENSELESS.

what your post says is that the army doesn't give you ammo to keep at home. That is different than saying you cannot have any ammo at home. The army doesn't give me any ammo for my rifles or pistols even though I was in the unorganized militia for years
 
What sheer poppycock!

Well lets see who is uttering brown stuff.

Guns on military bases are available only to the base security and law enforcement people. Only in active combat zones do people have weapons with them.

Since I am not familiar with the US bases I will defer to somebody who knows first hand what happens to rifles issued to active service members. In most countries that I know a rifle is issued and it remains in the possession of that active member who is totally responsible for it at all times. Base staff like the police staff are not normally issued firearms.

The Swiss military personnel who have guns at home are not allowed to have ammunition for those guns.......at all.

Period.

Utter crap you do not have a clue about the Swiss laws and it is showing you did not back up your claim.

In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers (50 rounds) shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still store MILITARY ammunition at home today.

This only applies to the free MILITARY ammo that used to be received. This does not mean that ammo is restricted or forbidden.

The Swiss can own all the ammo they want. The ammo restrictions only apply to ammo bought at the range because this ammo is subsidized by the Swiss government. Anyone can go to a gun store and buy all the ammo he wants with a background check and store it at home.
 
Again: (Read the article.)

Mathias carefully puts away his pistol and shakes his head firmly when I ask him if he feels safer having a gun at home, explaining that even if he had ammunition, he would not be allowed to use it against an intruder.

"The gun is not given to me to protect me or my family," he says. "I have been given this gun by my country to serve my country - and for me it is an honour to take care of it. I think it is a good thing for the state to give this responsibility to people."

Does that sound like he can have ammo for the weapon?

If you have proof that he can, then post a link proving it.
 
what your post says is that the army doesn't give you ammo to keep at home. That is different than saying you cannot have any ammo at home. The army doesn't give me any ammo for my rifles or pistols even though I was in the unorganized militia for years

Read this again.....carefully.

Mathias carefully puts away his pistol and shakes his head firmly when I ask him if he feels safer having a gun at home, explaining that even if he had ammunition, he would not be allowed to use it against an intruder.

"The gun is not given to me to protect me or my family," he says. "I have been given this gun by my country to serve my country - and for me it is an honour to take care of it. I think it is a good thing for the state to give this responsibility to people."

Does that sound like he can have ammo for the weapon?

If you have proof that he can, then post a link proving it.
 
Why post your erroneous opinion? Why not post fact and evidence to prove it fact?

I know when I am wasting my time reading an article supposedly on firearms that starts with a bunch of tear jerking anecdotal stories to reinforce the propaganda claims as reasonable justifiable and factual when they are none of those. You are dredging turds from gun controls cesspool of crap science.

Only MILITARY ammunition may not be kept at home. Self-defence is mostly an unacceptable reason for firearm ownership. That does not mean the Swiss are unarmed at home and have guns gathering dust. Military ammunition is subsidised or free and thus subject to military regulation. Private ammunition is your own and not subject to military regulation.

This amazing and horrible situation is exactly what the GUN-HATERS want for America........effectively DISARMED and DEFENSELESS.

Getting your facts wrong is not going to help, all countries are subject to the idiocy of gun control. Everyone seems happy with that. It is only when they finally reap the consequences of that foolish acceptance a few sensible people will remain to object. All to few.
 
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Again: (Read the article.)



Does that sound like he can have ammo for the weapon?

If you have proof that he can, then post a link proving it.

Don't have to all you have shown is a false extension to the articles claim. That is military ammunition may not be stored at home.
 
I think you are partially right but wrong about the Swiss

What happens to issued firearms to active duty members? That is the question. Desk jockeys and base staff are different.

Members under going training? Active service members?
 
Mathias carefully puts away his pistol and shakes his head firmly when I ask him if he feels safer having a gun at home, explaining that even if he had ammunition, he would not be allowed to use it against an intruder.

"The gun is not given to me to protect me or my family," he says. "I have been given this gun by my country to serve my country - and for me it is an honour to take care of it. I think it is a good thing for the state to give this responsibility to people."
Does that sound like he can have ammo for the weapon?

If you have proof that he can, then post a link proving your claim.
 

Let's go ahead and address the statistics on this one.

If guns CAUSE violence...then why are there not MILLIONS of murders and suicide each year? Why do assaults occur without weapons? There are literally MILLIONS of owners who go their entire lives without incident. How is that possible if the gun cause the problem? We are talking about numbers that aren't even correlated. So there is no way for them to be assigned as the caused.

You have to address the facts here. Hell...I am more likely to STAY OUT OF IT when I have a gun. Doesn't matter what the incident is. You want to study why people are violent? You have to study the human. Not the tool.


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