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Insights on guns from a veteran

ChairmanGonzalo

ChairmanGonzalo

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I am a veteran of the U.S Army. In the Army, we trained with and carried assault rifles because it was PART OF OUR JOB.

You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.

Therefore, you have no reason to own or carry an assault rifle.

It's the same thing with handguns. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.

And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:

Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows

Bottom line: stop preting you are soldiers. You are not some bad@ss warrior. You are probably overweight, uneducated, and have never served a single hour in the military. And not to mention you are racist too. That's NRA propaganda for you. They always try to get you scared of random people of color trying to break into your home, just so that you'll buy more guns. I should know: I was an NRA member for a year and saw all the bull**** they were trying to feed me.

Civilians have no reason to own or carry assault rifles. Civilians have no reason to carry handguns. Concealed carry has been proven to increase crime, and this is from STANFORD UNIVERSITY. Scream and shout all you want: the facts still stand.
 
Ganapathy you sneaky devil, you almost fooled nobody with your new account.
 
ChairmanGonzalo said:
I am a veteran of the U.S Army. In the Army, we trained with and carried assault rifles because it was PART OF OUR JOB.

You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.

Therefore, you have no reason to own or carry an assault rifle.

It's the same thing with handguns. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.

And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:

Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows

Bottom line: stop preting you are soldiers. You are not some bad@ss warrior. You are probably overweight, uneducated, and have never served a single hour in the military. And not to mention you are racist too. That's NRA propaganda for you. They always try to get you scared of random people of color trying to break into your home, just so that you'll buy more guns. I should know: I was an NRA member for a year and saw all the bull**** they were trying to feed me.

Civilians have no reason to own or carry assault rifles. Civilians have no reason to carry handguns. Concealed carry has been proven to increase crime, and this is from STANFORD UNIVERSITY. Scream and shout all you want: the facts still stand.
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So, if I'm reading you right, you think citizens should have access to such weapons and the right to own and carry them, and you can't stand Stanford University and don't trust it.
 
Ganapathy said:
I am a veteran of the United States Army. I served as a 12B (Combat Engineer) in the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the illustrious 82nd Airborne Division

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why any civilian needs or wants to own an assault rifle. During OSUT (a form of initial training where Basic and AIT are rolled into one course), we learned that our rifles were deadly weapons, designed solely for killing the enemy on a battlefield. When we trained with our weapons, we had to shoot a "qualification" test. We were presented with forty popup targets, one after another at different distances, from fifty to three hundred meters, all in very quick succession. We had to kill at least twenty three targets to pass the test, but most of us, including those of us who never fired a gun before, easily shot thirty or more targets. All this was in the span of less than two minutes, and we even had to reload once in that time. I don't get why any civilian needs to kill thirty people in two minutes, unless he is deliberately causing carnage and mass death.

The civilian AR15 is just a M-4 carbine by any other name. The only difference is that it does not have burst capacity. That is not nearly as big a difference as the NRA makes it out to be. We never, ever used burst mode in the military, since it wasted ammo, was inaccurate, and generally useless. Besides for that difference, the AR 15 is the exact same as the M4. The M4's features are designed to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time, including a detachable magazine which allows for rapid reloading and a buffer tube and muzzle brake which dampens recoil, so that a shooter can fire off a large number of rounds with minimal affect on accuracy.

All the arguments about " I need my AR 15 for hunting" or "I need my Ar15 for self defense" are entirely ridiculous. The 5.56 Nato round, which the Ar15 uses, is designed to pierce body armor. Which deer wears body armor? And your fantasies about shooting fifteen home invaders at once is just that: a fantasy which will likely never happen. The only real purpose of the AR 15 in American society is to kill large numbers of clubgoers, schoolchildren, or innocent bystanders at a time.

And for those of you who claim that "my Ar15 will protect me from tyranny," guess what, you're wrong. In my time in the military, I saw that no civilian rebellion would ever stand a chance against us. We have M1 Abrams tanks which can survive multiple rocket hits. We have drones which can bomb your house while being controlled by a person a thousand miles away. If worst came to worst, we have nuclear weapons which can quickly bring a seceding city or state into the stone age.

The right wing claims to respect veterans, so please listen to the words of a former soldier. I trained with assault rifles. I carried an assault rifle as part of my job. I can tell you that the military M-4 and the Ar-15 are nearly identical, and that no civilian needs a weapon designed to kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes.
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Look what I found :mrgreen:

These posts are almost identical.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
So, if I'm reading you right, you think citizens should have access to such weapons and the right to own and carry them, and you can't stand Stanford University and don't trust it.
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Not funny. Not one bit.
 
ChairmanGonzalo said:
I am a veteran of the U.S Army. In the Army, we trained with and carried assault rifles because it was PART OF OUR JOB.

You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.

Therefore, you have no reason to own or carry an assault rifle.

It's the same thing with handguns. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.

And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:

Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows

Bottom line: stop preting you are soldiers. You are not some bad@ss warrior. You are probably overweight, uneducated, and have never served a single hour in the military. And not to mention you are racist too. That's NRA propaganda for you. They always try to get you scared of random people of color trying to break into your home, just so that you'll buy more guns. I should know: I was an NRA member for a year and saw all the bull**** they were trying to feed me.

Civilians have no reason to own or carry assault rifles. Civilians have no reason to carry handguns. Concealed carry has been proven to increase crime, and this is from STANFORD UNIVERSITY. Scream and shout all you want: the facts still stand.
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As a Army Vet myself my reply to you is simple: stick it where the sun don't shine.
 
I mean that's not true.

It's good to have assault rifles in case someone tries to take our individual freedoms away by means of illegitimate law, such as laws abridging our right to own assault rifles.

They're good at spraying bullets at such scum should they come to collect.
 
I suspect someone has never read the Constitution, US Code, or studied the history of the US Militia. Its rather obvious the OP doesnt understand the words or the intent of the Framers of the very document the OP purports that he swore to serve and defend.
 
VanceMack said:
I suspect someone has never read the Constitution, US Code, or studied the history of the US Militia. Its rather obvious the OP doesnt understand the words or the intent of the Framers of the very document the OP purports that he swore to serve and defend.
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I served in the militia, aka the National Guard.

Civilians are not the militia, period.

Besides, the founding fathers were not infallible. Who gives a **** what some slave owning, Native American killing rich white men 200 years ago thought.
 
ChairmanGonzalo said:
I served in the militia, aka the National Guard.

Civilians are not the militia, period.

Besides, the founding fathers were not infallible. Who gives a **** what some slave owning, Native American killing rich white men 200 years ago thought.
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So you didn't actually serve in the army, as you originally claimed?

Do you find it hard to keep your story straight?
 
ChairmanGonzalo said:
I served in the militia, aka the National Guard.

Civilians are not the militia, period.

Besides, the founding fathers were not infallible. Who gives a **** what some slave owning, Native American killing rich white men 200 years ago thought.
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Conditions were better in China 200 years ago, eh?
Or how about now? There wouldn't be so many Chinese willing to pay to be stuffed into shipping containers and smuggled into the United States if China was a fair and prosperous place to live.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
So you didn't actually serve in the army, as you originally claimed?

Do you find it hard to keep your story straight?
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I served for a year in the National Guard, then transferred over to Active duty in the Regular Army for the rest of my enlistment.
 
ChairmanGonzalo said:
I served in the militia, aka the National Guard.

Civilians are not the militia, period.

Besides, the founding fathers were not infallible. Who gives a **** what some slave owning, Native American killing rich white men 200 years ago thought.
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SO you HAVENT read the US Code. You dont know that ALL able bodied adults are members of the militia and that has ever and always been the case. You dont know that the civilian 'unorganized' is specifically identified in the US code. Your ignorance explains everything.

It doesnt matter what you think about the Constitution. Your opinion of it...wrong as it is...is irrelevant.
 
ChairmanGonzalo said:
I am a veteran of the U.S Army. In the Army, we trained with and carried assault rifles because it was PART OF OUR JOB.

You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.

Therefore, you have no reason to own or carry an assault rifle.

It's the same thing with handguns. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.

And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:

Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows

Bottom line: stop preting you are soldiers. You are not some bad@ss warrior. You are probably overweight, uneducated, and have never served a single hour in the military. And not to mention you are racist too. That's NRA propaganda for you. They always try to get you scared of random people of color trying to break into your home, just so that you'll buy more guns. I should know: I was an NRA member for a year and saw all the bull**** they were trying to feed me.

Civilians have no reason to own or carry assault rifles. Civilians have no reason to carry handguns. Concealed carry has been proven to increase crime, and this is from STANFORD UNIVERSITY. Scream and shout all you want: the facts still stand.
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complete horse excrement

it ignores the constitution-thus those who believe this crap are enemies of our constitution.

it ignores that CIVILIAN police are routinely issued real assault rifle

most soldiers are not particularly good shots. My nephew-four combat tours-rangers and then SF, comes to me to work on his pistol shooting skills. Not many soldiers are GM level action pistol shooters. The ones who are-like Max Michel-don't spew this sort of swill

You'r a socialist That means you are upset with the politics of the candidates the NRA supports. so pardon me if I dismiss the oozing crap you spewed that is based on your political agenda. I don't care what sort of service you claim to have, I know more about firearms, the use of firearms and civilian firearms strategies and tactics than you can imagine
 
Tanngrisnir said:
So you didn't actually serve in the army, as you originally claimed?

Do you find it hard to keep your story straight?
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Next thing we will be told is he served in the Clone wars under Darth Vader and was responsible for the Death of General Grievous
 
ChairmanGonzalo said:
I served for a year in the National Guard, then transferred over to Active duty in the Regular Army for the rest of my enlistment.
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I suspect based on the stuff you posted, your MOS was not combat infantry
 
TurtleDude said:
complete horse excrement

it ignores the constitution-thus those who believe this crap are enemies of our constitution.

it ignores that CIVILIAN police are routinely issued real assault rifle

most soldiers are not particularly good shots. My nephew-four combat tours-rangers and then SF, comes to me to work on his pistol shooting skills. Not many soldiers are GM level action pistol shooters. The ones who are-like Max Michel-don't spew this sort of swill

You'r a socialist That means you are upset with the politics of the candidates the NRA supports. so pardon me if I dismiss the oozing crap you spewed that is based on your political agenda. I don't care what sort of service you claim to have, I know more about firearms, the use of firearms and civilian firearms strategies and tactics than you can imagine
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Guess what, I was trained in firearms and their safe use as well.

I was trained to respect my M16 as a killing tool, to be used for one purpose and one purpose only: to end lives. All the attachments I added on, such as optical sights, grips, etc. were to facilitate that purpose.

It's stupid how some civilian with ZERO training, and in private sales, no ID at all, to buy a weapon with all the same features as the ones used in the military to kill and only to kill. And don't give me the bs about how the Ar 15 isn't an assault rifle because they are semi automatic. Guess what: I never fired my rifle once in burst mode. Semi was even more suited to the task of killing large numbers of enemies, something a civilian will never have to do.
 
ChairmanGonzalo said:
Guess what, I was trained in firearms and their safe use as well.

I was trained to respect my M16 as a killing tool, to be used for one purpose and one purpose only: to end lives. All the attachments I added on, such as optical sights, grips, etc. were to facilitate that purpose.

It's stupid how some civilian with ZERO training, and in private sales, no ID at all, to buy a weapon with all the same features as the ones used in the military to kill and only to kill. And don't give me the bs about how the Ar 15 isn't an assault rifle because they are semi automatic. Guess what: I never fired my rifle once in burst mode. Semi was even more suited to the task of killing large numbers of enemies, something a civilian will never have to do.
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I don't believe you and you have posted too many lies for someone like me-a former DOJ prosecutor who was our component's firearms trainer, to believe the swill you spew.

You have posted several lies

1) you cannot buy an M16 rifle unless you have a Class III tax stamp. and it cannot be one made after May 19, 1986

2) AR 15s are not military issue and given less than one half of one percent of all murders are committed by people using them or similar weapons, your rant that those firearms are only used to kill. I have shot in over 30 matches using an AR-15 and national service rifle competitions feature thousands of target shooters using them.

3) why are cops being issued fully automatic M16 rifles-they aren't supposed to be killing large numbers of people either-especially in a civilian environment.

Sorry-your lies about these rifles and their uses has permanently disqualified anything you say on firearms being taken seriously by me-a person who was certified as an expert by members of congress and federal judges.

and you are even lying about the purpose of a military M16-they are designed to INFLICT casualties not to kill

anyone in the military would know that.
 
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