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Young, Dumb and armed. How Melbourne (AUS) became a gun city.

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September 11, 2016. The Age
Young, Dumb and armed. How Melbourne became a gun city.

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.
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The investigation has found:
  • There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
  • Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
  • The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
  • Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
  • Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

Other interesting tidbits:
  • The majority of firearm-related crimes are committed by those aged 20 to 34 - almost 1500 offenders were recorded for this age group last year, more than two-and-a-half times the number five years ago, according to the Crime Statistics Agency.
  • Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.
  • While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.
  • The majority of firearm-related crimes are committed by those aged 20 to 34 - almost 1500 offenders were recorded for this age group last year, more than two-and-a-half times the number five years ago, according to the Crime Statistics Agency.
  • Despite Australia’s strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem, particularly with the country’s reliance on shipping by sea cargo and the rise of the so-called “dark web”.
  • [A recent] bust led to the seizure of six fully-automatic assault rifles and 96 handgun frames in the US, and dozens of machine gun and handgun parts, and 10 kilograms of ammunition, in Victoria and NSW.
 
Lel the dark web. That sounds about right. Freaky stuff there, and it's super easy to access.
 
10 kilos of ammunition? That's right around 1000 rounds of 5.56 or essentially nothing.
 
More proof that all guns should be illegal in every nation on earth.
 
ScrewPokemonGo said:
More proof that all guns should be illegal in every nation on earth.
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I think you missed the part about "DESPITE Australia's strict gun control..."
 
Goshin said:
I think you missed the part about "DESPITE Australia's strict gun control..."
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His arguments seem to be impervious to facts or logic
 
ScrewPokemonGo said:
More proof that all guns should be illegal in every nation on earth.
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The only proof I see there is that gun control is a pack of lies and has no impact on public safety. The worst part is that gun control has been introduce because of demand from fear crazed people who care not one bit about facts or that valuable police resources will be wasted on chasing guns not criminals.

What's a few innocent lives if we paranoid cowards can feel safe.
 
TurtleDude said:
His arguments seem to be impervious to facts or logic
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Its akin to those who think the problem with high crime areas with strict gun control is their free neighbors. "If only we applied our bad ideas everywhere, then they would work!"
 
Lachean said:
Its akin to those who think the problem with high crime areas with strict gun control is their free neighbors. "If only we applied our bad ideas everywhere, then they would work!"
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And when they don't which is inevitable it is always because they did not go far enough and some managed to escape the law.
 
Goshin said:
I think you missed the part about "DESPITE Australia's strict gun control..."
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Thanks I was wonder if anyone was going to point out the fact that the Aussies thought they would be safe if they banned guns, stupid sheep.
 
blaxshep said:
I know right, since all the guns are illegal only criminals have guns, so gun control works!
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True, they wonderful laws have proven the point that if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. The sad part is some slow thinks still think it is a smart idea.
 
Crimefree said:
The only proof I see there is that gun control is a pack of lies and has no impact on public safety. The worst part is that gun control has been introduce because of demand from fear crazed people who care not one bit about facts or that valuable police resources will be wasted on chasing guns not criminals.

What's a few innocent lives if we paranoid cowards can feel safe.
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As they like to ask, are they willing to accept responsibility for the deaths due to they actions, me thinks not.
 
Casper said:
Thanks I was wonder if anyone was going to point out the fact that the Aussies thought they would be safe if they banned guns, stupid sheep.
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Lots of wooly low wattage whankers don't care as long as they could claim they DID SOMETHING!!
 
TurtleDude said:
Lots of wooly low wattage whankers don't care as long as they could claim they DID SOMETHING!!
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Something Wrong. Now the question is do they have the smarts to undue their mistake? Oh wait they would have to admit the truth.
 
The investigation has found:

There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
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Melbourne - population 4.1 Million.


Despite years of attempting to explain to the posters here that Australia doesn't have a gun culture and it's simply idiotic to try and equate our two Countries, folks here still attempt to do it. We even have posters in this thread throwing around unprovoked comments like "sheep" and "wooly low wattage whankers", comments that really do nothing other than show that there are those clearly not interested in any reasonable or educated debate.

So go on. I've said it till I'm blue in the face that it's idiotic to equate our two countries and what works for us doesn't mean it will work for you guys but hey, you want to insist on equating the two and throw around idiotic comments then knock yourself out. Post statistics of shootings for US cities with a similar population. 99 shootings in the past 20 months in Melbourne.

Either stop comparing and attempting to equate our two countries or lets see your "comparisons."
 
Serenity said:
Melbourne - population 4.1 Million.


Despite years of attempting to explain to the posters here that Australia doesn't have a gun culture and it's simply idiotic to try and equate our two Countries, folks here still attempt to do it. We even have posters in this thread throwing around unprovoked comments like "sheep" and "wooly low wattage whankers", comments that really do nothing other than show that there are those clearly not interested in any reasonable or educated debate.

So go on. I've said it till I'm blue in the face that it's idiotic to equate our two countries and what works for us doesn't mean it will work for you guys but hey, you want to insist on equating the two and throw around idiotic comments then knock yourself out. Post statistics of shootings for US cities with a similar population. 99 shootings in the past 20 months in Melbourne.

Either stop comparing and attempting to equate our two countries or lets see your "comparisons."
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my comment was a generic one-it applies to all sheeple-no matter what nation-who blindly support laws that disarm honest people in the hope its going to stop criminals. I have nothing but contempt for those who cavalierly try to destroy the liberty of others so they can pretend they have made society safer
 
TurtleDude said:
my comment was a generic one-it applies to all sheeple-no matter what nation-who blindly support laws that disarm honest people in the hope its going to stop criminals. I have nothing but contempt for those who cavalierly try to destroy the liberty of others so they can pretend they have made society safer
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And yet we don't have a gun culture here. The average Australian never owned a gun nor had any desire to do so. There is no comparison between our Countries. This is a recording.

So where's your "comparisons" as per post #18.
 
Serenity said:
And yet we don't have a gun culture here. The average Australian never owned a gun nor had any desire to do so. There is no comparison between our Countries. This is a recording.

So where's your "comparisons" as per post #18.
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so who owned all those firearms that we saw pictures of (lots and lots of firearms) being destroyed and being used to trumpet the success of the mandatory buy backs that your government engaged in. I realize you claim there is no gun culture in Australia and that the average Australian has never owned a gun so where did those thousands of firearms come from

I suspect the vast majority of them were legally owned before your laws were changed

I suspect hard core criminals weren't turning their guns in

how many people per 100 have to own guns for gun ownership to be the mark of an "average" citizen of whatever country you want?
 
TurtleDude said:
so who owned all those firearms that we saw pictures of (lots and lots of firearms) being destroyed and being used to trumpet the success of the mandatory buy backs that your government engaged in. I realize you claim there is no gun culture in Australia and that the average Australian has never owned a gun so where did those thousands of firearms come from

I suspect the vast majority of them were legally owned before your laws were changed

I suspect hard core criminals weren't turning their guns in

how many people per 100 have to own guns for gun ownership to be the mark of an "average" citizen of whatever country you want?
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I live here and work here. I know my Country better than you ever will. We do not have a gun culture here. We are not the same as the USA when it comes to guns. We rarely talk about guns. The everyday person doesn't care that they don't have guns.

What part of that is so difficult for you to comprehend and why do you insist on trying to draw parallels? It is beyond ridiculous to try and equate our two countries when discussing gun control and it's ridiculous and incredibly dishonest to even attempt to draw any comparisons.

I've mentioned before that I've been a paramedic for ten years, the last 5 as a critical care paramedic and I live and work in one of the largest Regional areas in Australia. In that time I can count on one hand how many firearm related incidents I have attended. Two of them were suicides. You do the math and leave my Country and her citizens out of your crap.
 
Serenity said:
I live here and work here. I know my Country better than you ever will. We do not have a gun culture here. We are not the same as the USA when it comes to guns. We rarely talk about guns. The everyday person doesn't care that they don't have guns.

What part of that is so difficult for you to comprehend and why do you insist on trying to draw parallels? It is beyond ridiculous to try and equate our two countries when discussing gun control and it's ridiculous and incredibly dishonest to even attempt to draw any comparisons.

I've mentioned before that I've been a paramedic for ten years, the last 5 as a critical care paramedic and I live and work in one of the largest Regional areas in Australia. In that time I can count on one hand how many firearm related incidents I have attended. Two of them were suicides. You do the math and leave my Country and her citizens out of your crap.
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that's a non answer--where did all those guns come from?
 
TurtleDude said:
so who owned all those firearms that we saw pictures of (lots and lots of firearms) being destroyed and being used to trumpet the success of the mandatory buy backs that your government engaged in. I realize you claim there is no gun culture in Australia and that the average Australian has never owned a gun so where did those thousands of firearms come from

I suspect the vast majority of them were legally owned before your laws were changed

I suspect hard core criminals weren't turning their guns in

how many people per 100 have to own guns for gun ownership to be the mark of an "average" citizen of whatever country you want?
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Ok back it up here, are you saying criminals will not follow the law and did not turn theirs in, that simply isn't playing fair.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's a non answer--where did all those guns come from?
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You are attempting to equate our two Countries when it comes to the gun debate. I'm suggesting that is idiotic to equate them. Do you disagree?

If so, refer to post #18 which is what you initially replied to and did not address my question before you tried to duck and weave and show me your comparisons.
 
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