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Is It Morally Acceptable to Love Machine Guns?

jimbo said:
There are very few rapes committed with the use of a gun. The point you are trying to make has nothing to do with any gun control argument.

OHTH, there have been a few rapes prevented with just the possession by the victim of a gun.
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His argument has always been pathetic and the reason why his support of his silly arguments completely fail is that he tries to pretend that he's motivated by public safety issues in a country he doesn't even matter in when in reality, he has a hatred of our rights and he despise the culture of freedom that we Americans have
 
Absentglare said:
You are the one who is confused here. I did not accuse TD of stating that there were no guns in Mexico. I accused TD of suggesting that there are no guns in Mexico if he proposed Mexico as an example to rebut my claim.

The point is that neither him nor you understood my initial claim. I will not explain this to you a fourth time, so if you are still confused, go re-read the exchange.
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So you didn't say this.

Absentglare said:
You're claiming that people get shot in Mexico but there are no guns in Mexico ...?
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So I suppose you account was just hacked then.
The level of dishonesty being displayed here is pretty pathetic even for you.
 
jimbo said:
There are very few rapes committed with the use of a gun. The point you are trying to make has nothing to do with any gun control argument.

OHTH, there have been a few rapes prevented with just the possession by the victim of a gun.
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I know that. I wasn't the one who brought the irrelevant rape issue into the thread in the first place
 
TurtleDude said:
do you realize how moronic your response is. read what I said again and try to figure it out. I said that 80% or more of the violent crimes involving guns are committed by people who CANNOT legally own firearms. And you claim wrong-because rapists know their victim

what in God's name does that have to do with the fact that most people who use guns illegally are already completely banned from owning said firearms?
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Those stats I was responding to were the rape stats . Try to keep up :roll:
 
flogger said:
Those stats I was responding to were the rape stats . Try to keep up :roll:
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Stats on their own are meaningless.:shock::roll::doh

And you have already been asked to show how firearms cause rape, murder or any other crime. You have failed on every request to do so. Is there any chance you are ever going to or is it impossible to show and you keep lying about it?
 
flogger said:
You are obsessed with this. Do you somehow think its going to make your horrendous gun death total look any better ? :doh

You lose far more people to domestic firearms every 2 years than you lost in the entire 10 year Vietnam conflict and more than on 9/11 every month ! :shock:
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Not one life has been lost to a gun ever. You have an obsession that you think guns are human, alive and can act on their own. This is not natural for humans to do.
 
flogger said:
You are obsessed with this. Do you somehow think its going to make your horrendous gun death total look any better ? :doh

You lose far more people to domestic firearms every 2 years than you lost in the entire 10 year Vietnam conflict and more than on 9/11 every month ! :shock:
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Again. You bring up irrelevant details because you know you cannot demonstrate what you want to demonstrate with your statistics. It is no different than a parent who claims vaccines caused their child to have autism. "But they got a vaccine and they have autism now."


It is all the same. You are claiming guns cause high murder rates, and your only statistic is the United States has a high murder rate and high gun ownership. That isn't enough information to draw a conclusion. Maybe you didn't learn statics in the army? I learned it multiple times in college. In different classes that all dealt with reading and understanding data. I also did in high school.

YOU are obsessed with avoiding this question. And I'm going to repeat it until you acknowledge the number of guns in each nation on your Eurocentric list. ;)




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blackjack50 said:
Again. You bring up irrelevant details because you know you cannot demonstrate what you want to demonstrate with your statistics. It is no different than a parent who claims vaccines caused their child to have autism. "But they got a vaccine and they have autism now."


It is all the same. You are claiming guns cause high murder rates, and your only statistic is the United States has a high murder rate and high gun ownership. That isn't enough information to draw a conclusion. Maybe you didn't learn statics in the army? I learned it multiple times in college. In different classes that all dealt with reading and understanding data. I also did in high school.

YOU are obsessed with avoiding this question. And I'm going to repeat it until you acknowledge the number of guns in each nation on your Eurocentric list. ;)


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How may times did you fail the course?
 
flogger said:
Those stats I was responding to were the rape stats . Try to keep up :roll:
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which has nothing to do with the point I made
 
flogger said:
A prime example of what I told you about their issues with numbers. They just don't do em :wink:
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You mean like the number of guns per nation on your Eurocentric list of murders?


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braindrain said:
So you didn't say this.





So I suppose you account was just hacked then.
The level of dishonesty being displayed here is pretty pathetic even for you.
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Now these are lies. I never claimed anything of the sort. I suggest you re-read the exchange to save yourself from further embarrassment.
 
blackjack50 said:
You mean like the number of guns per nation on your Eurocentric list of murders?


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Do notice how numbers are important if flogger gives them and absolute rubbish from anyone else. I guess a delusion is like a dream and all things are possible in dreams. Even raging guns that walk the streets at night looking for victims. Or evil guns lying in wait for you in dark places. Must be terrible to have such phobias keeping you awake at night.

He means like the proof he has guns cause all those deaths he keeps giving the "number" of
 
Rico Suave said:
How may times did you fail the course?
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Even that would still be better than what flogger has. Delusion does not allow one to determine with any accuracy anything unless one can find other deluded people to share your precision measurements.
 
Absentglare said:
Now these are lies. I never claimed anything of the sort. I suggest you re-read the exchange to save yourself from further embarrassment.
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That is exactly what you said. It's right there in your own post.

To try and deny what you said when it's right there for every one to see is not only pathetic but it is extremely dishonest.

Absentglare said:
You're claiming that people get shot in Mexico but there are no guns in Mexico ...?
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mmi said:
The country's long fight over guns can be seen as a lapse in its national capacity for empathy—a failure of those on either side of the issue to appreciate that one town's gun festival is another town's murder-statistic, and one legislator's common-sense regulation is another business owner's financially onerous limitation. The first step toward any reconciliation of policy positions will be an acknowledgement from individuals on both sides that they can be both right and wrong at the same time. — "Is It Morally Acceptable to Love Machine Guns?," The Atlantic, Aug 28, 2016​

To be blunt, I feel my side (more restrictions on weapons like … the type(s) discussed in this article, has the votes, has public opinion on its side. I can sort of understand how my opponents feel about this. But if yer up against the Congress, the president, and the Court (assuming legislation is enacted and survives any appeal), I figure you should accept the democratic will as expressed and work to change it.
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Or do what all criminals do....ignore the law. Even decent folks are ignoring these idiotic laws.
 
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