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The twists the turns the gyrations.

TurtleDude said:
few people shoot a firearm enough to wear it out. I have lots of guns but I finally wore one Out. I bought a USED Colt GOLD CUP competition pistol in 1985. It had thousands of rounds through it. I set it up for shooting "Bowling pins" and those loads were very hot-they were designed to knock a regulation bowling pin off a 4x3 foot table meaning they were much hotter than factory loads. I shot that gun over 100,000 times and I finally put a crack in the frame-a crack that my father noted one of the welders at his company could repair. but that is the only firearm I wore about. I have two browning 22 pistols that each have been shot over 30,000 times. A new spring and buffer for each and they are like new in terms of performance.
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I've managed to shoot out a few barrels in my day.. (loss of accuracy) but never had one truly wear out.

I did have a failure with a ruger LCP though. Had it blow up in my hand doing rapid fire. The casing ruptured out the side, And I think it went off before it had headspaced correctly.
 
jet57 said:
You can, I bought my 1911 .45 that way. I showed up at the parking lot of a local gun store, looked over the pistol: case, book AND box came with it; fired only about 50 times, and after accepting it, we had to go into the store to make the sale, I had to take the 30 question test and wait - 10 days I think it was, and the guy got his $350 and I got the pistol.

Different states have different requirements, but you can buy about anywhere. Gun shows however are where licensed dealers are working a public gig so there's a different measurement, of propriety.
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And thus.. no loophole..no "black market".
 
jet57 said:
By banning assault weapons and banana clips, we're going to see a lot less, maybe not right at the beginning, but a lot less massacres like the ones we've been suffering: that's the idea.
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Not even a slight possibility.
 
jaeger19 said:
We tried an assault weapons ban and it didn;t work at all. So sorry.. been there done that. Doesn't work

At the end of the day.. those are the facts.
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Would worked in the cases we've seen of late, so...

Sorry but you're wrong.
 
jet57 said:
Would worked in the cases we've seen of late, so...

Sorry but you're wrong.
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Not at all. Heck.. the fellow in Sandy hook killed his mother and stole her weapon.

The fellow in Nice just massacred 80 some people with a Truck.

Whats next.. ban trucks.?

Sorry but you are wrong.
 
blaxshep said:
Would not have worked in any of them.
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Sorry, but those were legally purchased guns, so I'd take your argument back to the drawing board.
 
jaeger19 said:
Not at all. Heck.. the fellow in Sandy hook killed his mother and stole her weapon.

The fellow in Nice just massacred 80 some people with a Truck.

Whats next.. ban trucks.?

Sorry but you are wrong.
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Yeah, she bought that weapon too didn't she... NO weapon, no massacre.
 
jet57 said:
Sorry, but those were legally purchased guns, so I'd take your argument back to the drawing board.
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Please show explain how a ban on these firearms would have prevented the people willing to break the law from getting them.

You may wan to reference mexico as an example of firearm ban would have prevented folks willing to break the law from getting their hands on them. (on second thought....).

Perhaps you can find an example of how say a ban on marijuana has prevented people willing to break the law from getting their hands on marijuana.
 
jet57 said:
Yeah, she bought that weapon too didn't she... NO weapon, no massacre.
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You mean like in france? Or Mexico.

Sorry dude but you are still wrong.
 
jet57 said:
The stories show that parking lot car trunk gun sales are real, and just as I said, do take place.

So you are wrong. The evidence is there to show it.
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Are parking lot gun sales to convicted felons LEGAL?


Sent from my grapefruit using smoke signals.
 
jaeger19 said:
Please show explain how a ban on these firearms would have prevented the people willing to break the law from getting them.

You may wan to reference mexico as an example of firearm ban would have prevented folks willing to break the law from getting their hands on them. (on second thought....).

Perhaps you can find an example of how say a ban on marijuana has prevented people willing to break the law from getting their hands on marijuana.
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The stories were all over the world due. YOU know that. And we're not talking about Mexico are we. And weed has nothing to do with any of this.
 
jaeger19 said:
You mean like in france? Or Mexico.

Sorry dude but you are still wrong.
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We're not talking about France or Mexico, so your dodge won't work.
 
blackjack50 said:
Are parking lot gun sales to convicted felons LEGAL?


Sent from my grapefruit using smoke signals.
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How did that get in here? And is guy selling out his trunk for cash going to do a background check?

:roll:

dude
 
jet57 said:
The stories were all over the world due. YOU know that. And we're not talking about Mexico are we. And weed has nothing to do with any of this.
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Of course we are..

You state that a firearm ban would prevent these mass killings.

they did not in france. They do not in mexico,

In the US we have bans on other substances like marijuana and they are completely ineffective.

In other words.. there is no objective evidence that supports your assertion.
 
jet57 said:
We're not talking about France or Mexico, so your dodge won't work.
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No diversion. We are talking about the effectiveness of gun bans on preventing mass murder

France and Mexico are great examples of countries in which a gun ban did not prevent mass murder

And they are countries that didn't have the gun ownership PRIOR to the ban that the US has.

So.. your assertion that it will work here.. is not based on facts.
 
jaeger19 said:
Of course we are..

You state that a firearm ban would prevent these mass killings.

they did not in france. They do not in mexico,

In the US we have bans on other substances like marijuana and they are completely ineffective.

In other words.. there is no objective evidence that supports your assertion.
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I"M not talking about Mexico, YOU are. Mexico and France ARE NOT the United States. They have completely different laws. All of the objective evidence that supports my position has been all over the news!

Try a new tac dude.
 
jaeger19 said:
I've managed to shoot out a few barrels in my day.. (loss of accuracy) but never had one truly wear out.

I did have a failure with a ruger LCP though. Had it blow up in my hand doing rapid fire. The casing ruptured out the side, And I think it went off before it had headspaced correctly.
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I went through about 4 barrels on an early EAA gold team race gun but then again I was shooting 115 bullets at speeds hot enough to make IPSC power factor of 177. (around 1540 FPS in a 9X21)
 
jet57 said:
I"M not talking about Mexico, YOU are. Mexico and France ARE NOT the United States. They have completely different laws. All of the objective evidence that supports my position has been all over the news!

Try a new tac dude.
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No.. all the objective evidence does not support your position.

Its been all over the news!.

Sorry.. but this tack works just fine.. because its based on logic.

while you are running on emotion. (well gee.. it will just work here)..
 
TurtleDude said:
I went through about 4 barrels on an early EAA gold team race gun but then again I was shooting 115 bullets at speeds hot enough to make IPSC power factor of 177. (around 1540 FPS in a 9X21)
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Mine was shooting about 1000 rounds a week for bullseye competitions and IHMSA ..

And then some shooting rifles with some hot loads... without letting the barrel cool....:3oops:
 
jaeger19 said:
Mine was shooting about 1000 rounds a week for bullseye competitions and IHMSA ..

And then some shooting rifles with some hot loads... without letting the barrel cool....:3oops:
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well of course a worn barrel is more serious for some competitions-like bench rest or high power rifle events vs say steel events where its pure speed, IHMSA-yeah I used to shoot small bore in that but one of my friends was nationally ranked revolver shooter-Dan Wesson 357 MAX and he would replace his barrel every year (plus he would have to have the revolver timed at least twice a year-the DW guns were accurate but they went out of time constantly and I got a nasty smack across my cheek spotting for him when his revolver shaved lead and sprayed it out the side of the cylinder)
 
cabse5 said:
Your supposition (and the NRA's) is more guns in everyone's possession will lessen crime. Tell me how 'stop and frisk', a NYC program that stopped, frisked and TOOK AWAY WEAPONS and led to lower crime statistics in NYC corroborates the philosophy you agree with - the 'put more guns into everyone's hands' philosophy to lessen crime.
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I can help you with that. Stats from Wiki:

NYC Stop and Frisk incidents 2011 - 684,000
Murders 2011 - 515

Stop and Frisk 2015 - 23,000
Murders 2015 - 339

2011 being the peak S & F year
2015 the most current data available year

Add to that the fact that profiling data showed over 90% of stops were Blacks or Latinos, and we have a problem.

That program went well.
 
jet57 said:
Yeah, she bought that weapon too didn't she... NO weapon, no massacre.
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Meanwhile, in other current news, in Japan today a knife wielding perp killed 19, wounded dozens more. Japan is an island nation with total gun ban and heavy restrictions on knife carry. So no, it is not no weapon, no massacre.
 
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