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The twists the turns the gyrations.

jet57 said:
Uh, no: said activity was on Gun show rented property. So there was nothing "sketchy" about it. I was there dude.

Here's the cow palace and parking lot:

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you'll note that the parking lot is on the property...;)

The Santa Clara county fair grounds can bee seen with an aerial view, but the graphic is a TIFF (what ever that is and won't upload): "county parking" just across the street.


If you can't handle factual dialogue then I can't help you. Again, I suggest that you research the US senate.

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Oh, jetty jetty jetty.

If they were selling switchblades, then indeed, it was illegal. And sketchy.

I mean, you said yourself that you "can't just walk up and ask." Whysoever could you not, if it's so above-board?

(Won't even bother with the stuff way over your head, like anyone dealing needing an FFL, and anyone with an FFL needing to run background checks, no matter where they're selling. And if they're dealing without an FFL, they're breaking the law.)
 
Harshaw said:
Oh, jetty jetty jetty.

If they were selling switchblades, then indeed, it was illegal. And sketchy.

I mean, you said yourself that you "can't just walk up and ask." Whysoever could you not, if it's so above-board?

(Won't even bother with the stuff way over your head, like anyone dealing needing an FFL, and anyone with an FFL needing to run background checks, no matter where they're selling. And if they're dealing without an FFL, they're breaking the law.)
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Your silly denial aren't going to change the facts as I've related them.

When did I ever say that selling guns out of your trunk at a gun show was "above board"? You can read I think; read again. Ya' don't run a background check on a black market sale. The M1 I bought was hand carried over to another dealer who operated in San Jose, and I had to make the purchase through them so I didn't have to drive to Sac.

Oh, and call up "The Gun Store" in Las Vegas and ask them about the "beef jerky shows".

So, I don't know where you think you're going dude, but it ain't factual discussion.
 
I'm confused is the argument that gun shows aren't real, or that people don't trade among themselves at gun shows and not just the booth?

Because I go to Gun Shows all the time in my area, and I frequently buy and trade from none vendors. Although not in the parking lot, usually take the guys number and go shooting with him later to test out the guns. Then make the trade or buy. Half the guns my grandpa left me were obtained over the cb radio. So you don't really need the internet or a gun show to bypass all laws. Just a 60 dollar radio.

I wouldn't buy a gun from a guy with a trunkful, that seems like a bad idea. And if they are at gun shows I've never met one.
 
jet57 said:
Your silly denial aren't going to change the facts as I've related them.

When did I ever say that selling guns out of your trunk at a gun show was "above board"?
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If it's not . . . then what is all this babble even about? What does the "US Senate" have to do with it? You're going on and on about a practice you apparently claim to know isn't legal, and you're somehow saying "SEE? SEE? SEE?????" You're even calling them "black market sales." What is it you think a "black market" is?

So apparently you think the "US Senate" (which you once said has no powers except to try impeachments) needs to close some kind of loophole to make illegal activity . . . illegal? Or something?

Jet, you normally can't follow a point if your leash were hitched to its back bumper, but you can't even follow your OWN points. Seriously, what point DO you think you've made here? And why did you bother me with it?
 
Harshaw said:
If it's not . . . then what is all this babble even about? What does the "US Senate" have to do with it? You're going on and on about a practice you apparently claim to know isn't legal, and you're somehow saying "SEE? SEE? SEE?????" You're even calling them "black market sales." What is it you think a "black market" is?

So apparently you think the "US Senate" (which you once said has no powers except to try impeachments) needs to close some kind of loophole to make illegal activity . . . illegal? Or something?

Jet, you normally can't follow a point if your leash were hitched to its back bumper, but you can't even follow your OWN points. Seriously, what point DO you think you've made here? And why did you bother me with it?
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I made this point
No, it's a good article and says this

Black market guns can be and are purchased at gun shows: the car trunk loophole, that is getting shows into trouble.

Ever been to a gun show, and seen inside people's trunks?
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And I proved that you were lying: go back and look at that Cow Palace picture and then tell me again that the gun show parking is off site.

You need to keep up Harshaw.
 
So, as I said, your "point" is:

So apparently you think the "US Senate" (which you once said has no powers except to try impeachments) needs to close some kind of loophole to make illegal activity . . . illegal? Or something?
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But because you don't even understand what YOU post, let alone what someone else posts, you can't even follow THAT.

Thanks for dropping by. It was as vapid and pointless as ever.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I'm confused is the argument that gun shows aren't real, or that people don't trade among themselves at gun shows and not just the booth?

Because I go to Gun Shows all the time in my area, and I frequently buy and trade from none vendors. Although not in the parking lot, usually take the guys number and go shooting with him later to test out the guns. Then make the trade or buy. Half the guns my grandpa left me were obtained over the cb radio. So you don't really need the internet or a gun show to bypass all laws. Just a 60 dollar radio.

I wouldn't buy a gun from a guy with a trunkful, that seems like a bad idea. And if they are at gun shows I've never met one.
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So someone that couldn't pass a background check could easily buy a gun at a gun show?
 
Moot said:
So someone that couldn't pass a background check could easily buy a gun at a gun show?
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Sure, you can easily buy a gun from your neighbor too... Heck you can buy guns from cops, they usually have a collection and are open to trades, swaps and what not. This is why Gun Control can't work like it does in England or Australia, there are already enough guns in America to give everyone 2. Restricting further sales is closing the barn door after the fact. And in my opinion a sign that our society is weakening itself.

If we allowed criminals to buy registered weapons it would be easier to catch them, because they can always get guns. Always.
 
Moot said:
So someone that couldn't pass a background check could easily buy a gun at a gun show?
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actually if you have a record, you don't want to buy at a gun show because they crawl with cops, feds, DAs and other law enforcement types.
 
TurtleDude said:
actually if you have a record, you don't want to buy at a gun show because they crawl with cops, feds, DAs and other law enforcement types.
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That's good to know. So do sellers have to beware they might be selling guns to undercover law enforcement at gun shows?
 
Moot said:
That's good to know. So do sellers have to beware they might be selling guns to undercover law enforcement at gun shows?
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Well, its a good rule of thumb if your doing something illegal there is always a chance your being set up by LE. It is kinda what they do for a living.
 
Moot said:
That's good to know. So do sellers have to beware they might be selling guns to undercover law enforcement at gun shows?
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1) if you are a private seller and you are acting as if a dealer-such as buying a gun from an attendee and then putting it on your table for sale you can be busted.

2) If you have a record and you are seen buying a gun or carrying a gun by someone who knows you are a mope you can be arrested as well
 
I wouldn't surprise me if a great number of LE buy their guns at gun show too...and these people are ALWAYS on the look out.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Sure, you can easily buy a gun from your neighbor too... Heck you can buy guns from cops, they usually have a collection and are open to trades, swaps and what not. This is why Gun Control can't work like it does in England or Australia, there are already enough guns in America to give everyone 2. Restricting further sales is closing the barn door after the fact. And in my opinion a sign that our society is weakening itself.

If we allowed criminals to buy registered weapons it would be easier to catch them, because they can always get guns. Always.
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Guns wear out....so restricting them now would likely have an effect down the road. For instance...right now the market is saturated with guns...but if the supply was restricted...then people would be more inclined to keep the guns they have than to sell them and that would tighten the market and raise the value of the guns traded or sold. The higher prices would start to exclude the lower income brackets from the market and there would be less guns in poorer community's and therefore less gun violence...in theory.
 
blaxshep said:
I wouldn't surprise me if a great number of LE buy their guns at gun show too...and these people are ALWAYS on the look out.
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some LEOs are into guns. The former FBI firearms instructor for the district was often at shows looking to buy stuff. So was the former CPD firearms instructor. One used to have a table where he'd do trigger jobs on revolvers
 
TurtleDude said:
1) if you are a private seller and you are acting as if a dealer-such as buying a gun from an attendee and then putting it on your table for sale you can be busted.

2) If you have a record and you are seen buying a gun or carrying a gun by someone who knows you are a mope you can be arrested as well
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Sounds good. But is that true for all gun shows across the country?
 
Moot said:
Guns wear out....so restricting them now would likely have an effect down the road. For instance...right now the market is saturated with guns...but if the supply was restricted...then people would be more inclined to keep the guns they have than to sell them and that would tighten the market and raise the value of the guns traded or sold. The higher prices would start to exclude the lower income brackets from the market and there would be less guns in poorer community's and therefore less gun violence...in theory.
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few people shoot a firearm enough to wear it out. I have lots of guns but I finally wore one Out. I bought a USED Colt GOLD CUP competition pistol in 1985. It had thousands of rounds through it. I set it up for shooting "Bowling pins" and those loads were very hot-they were designed to knock a regulation bowling pin off a 4x3 foot table meaning they were much hotter than factory loads. I shot that gun over 100,000 times and I finally put a crack in the frame-a crack that my father noted one of the welders at his company could repair. but that is the only firearm I wore about. I have two browning 22 pistols that each have been shot over 30,000 times. A new spring and buffer for each and they are like new in terms of performance.
 
Moot said:
Guns wear out....so restricting them now would likely have an effect down the road. For instance...right now the market is saturated with guns...but if the supply was restricted...then people would be more inclined to keep the guns they have than to sell them and that would tighten the market and raise the value of the guns traded or sold. The higher prices would start to exclude the lower income brackets from the market and there would be less guns in poorer community's and therefore less gun violence...in theory.
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The lower income people would have less guns? How's that working out in the Hood right now?
 
Moot said:
Sounds good. But is that true for all gun shows across the country?
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I don't know since I only attend shows in Ohio. In some states, only licensed dealers are allowed to sell. IN other states, private sellers have to consummate sails through a dealer. I know that the number of criminals who actually get weapons by directly buying them at shows is rather low
 
TurtleDude said:
few people shoot a firearm enough to wear it out. I have lots of guns but I finally wore one Out. I bought a USED Colt GOLD CUP competition pistol in 1985. It had thousands of rounds through it. I set it up for shooting "Bowling pins" and those loads were very hot-they were designed to knock a regulation bowling pin off a 4x3 foot table meaning they were much hotter than factory loads. I shot that gun over 100,000 times and I finally put a crack in the frame-a crack that my father noted one of the welders at his company could repair. but that is the only firearm I wore about. I have two browning 22 pistols that each have been shot over 30,000 times. A new spring and buffer for each and they are like new in terms of performance.
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But I trust you take good care of your guns and clean them well. I suspect a lot of people don't. So would you say a dirty gun could wear out faster than a clean one?
 
Moot said:
Guns wear out....so restricting them now would likely have an effect down the road. For instance...right now the market is saturated with guns...but if the supply was restricted...then people would be more inclined to keep the guns they have than to sell them and that would tighten the market and raise the value of the guns traded or sold. The higher prices would start to exclude the lower income brackets from the market and there would be less guns in poorer community's and therefore less gun violence...in theory.
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Uneducated dimwit response. How long does steel last? They will probably rust before wearing out.

If only gun control advocates could apply a smattering of logic to this problem they would be beating their fellow travellers in the gun control boat as the biggest dummies they had ever met.
 
Moot said:
But I trust you take good care of your guns and clean them well. I suspect a lot of people don't. So would you say a dirty gun could wear out faster than a clean one?
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they certainly are more likely to jam than a clean one
 
blaxshep said:
The lower income people would have less guns? How's that working out in the Hood right now?
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We don't know yet because the theory hasn't been tried in the hood. But it seemed to work after the mob era of the 1930s.
 
Moot said:
We don't know yet because the theory hasn't been tried in the hood. But it seemed to work after the mob era of the 1930s.
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The Hood is already too poor to buy guns.
 
Moot said:
Sounds good. But is that true for all gun shows across the country?
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There are laws in place the define private sales what more would you like? Anyone selling at a gun show will be registered. There is no loopholes except for the vacant space in gun control advocates heads.

Criminals have far better ways of obtaining guns and they do not want that traceable if they are going to commit a crime. Others because the cannot own weapons for self-defence obtain them through friends and relatives. Anyone who thinks all "illegal" purchases are intended for crime needs desperate help and possibly a shock treatment to get the brain started. The crime rate in poor areas is at least an order of magnitude greater, what would you want?
 
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