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Why Not Special Plates/Stickers for Gun Owners?

sanman said:
Likewise, many would say "I'll take my chances with regulation" - better than increasing the number of situations where you could lose your life.

Self-defense advocacy needs to focus more on non-lethal means. By always jumping for lethality, you're saying that life is cheap.
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Self-defence should be focused on defence of the victim giving the VICTIM the best chance of survival. The idea of giving criminals defenceless victims is so oppressive and inhuman such people should be punished just for thinking of it.
 
Special plates sounds like a great idea. Attached with six-inch screws to the forehead so they don't fall off.
 
sanman said:
Likewise, many would say "I'll take my chances with regulation" - better than increasing the number of situations where you could lose your life.

Self-defense advocacy needs to focus more on non-lethal means. By always jumping for lethality, you're saying that life is cheap.
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One might (and does) argue that life is precious, and if the aggressor who threatens your life values HIS, he'll think long and hard about his aggression when he knows he puts his own life on the line by so threatening.
 
sanman said:
Likewise, many would say "I'll take my chances with regulation" - better than increasing the number of situations where you could lose your life.

Self-defense advocacy needs to focus more on non-lethal means. By always jumping for lethality, you're saying that life is cheap.
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Your free to choose the let's talk it out option if you choose. That would be my preference also, but unlike you I have a backup plan.
 
sanman said:
So then don't leave your damn gun lying around where people can get at it. If it's not on your person, then it should be locked safely in a vault. What you want is the freedom to leave your gun lying around irresponsibly, for the sake of convenience. Why should irresponsibility be made convenient?

Haven't you heard of that saying, "With great power comes great responsibility" - don't you see a gun as having great power to take someone's life away? Therefore there needs to be a lot of responsibility and not cavalier behavior, when owning a gun.

Pro-gun advocates certainly create the impression that they regard life as cheap - just as long as it's someone else's life other than their own.

Freedom to own/bear something should not necessarily equate to convenience - because responsibility is not about convenience. Freedom and responsibility go hand in hand, not freedom and convenience.
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I fully agree that gun owners should be responsible, but I've seen crimes where full gun safes have been taken. A lot of folks work at places where they are not allowed to carry on the job and have under-seat gun safes or keep their sidearm locked in the glove box. The point is that this law has NO upside and lots of downside. While there is a matter of respect in informing an officer who stops that you have firearm, it is NOT a requirement any more than telling the officer that I'm carrying a locking blade knife (both are potentially lethal weapons).
 
sanman said:
Would it be useful to have special license plates or stickers for gun owners who travel with their guns? That way law enforcement would immediately know they were dealing with a gun carrying motorist, even before they pull them over.
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I want special license plates for people who use cell phones while driving.

Legal gun owners will tell a cop about their weapon. Only crooks have something to hide, and they most certainly won't sport a special license plate announcing their illegal possession.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Special plates sounds like a great idea. Attached with six-inch screws to the forehead so they don't fall off.
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You are welcome to attempt to enforce that ;)


Sent from my grapefruit using smoke signals.
 
One newspaper printed the addresses of gun owners from a registration data base. It did not go well.

Newspaper That Published Gun-Owner Addresses Gets Its Staff's Info Outed - The Wire

I suggest we publish the home addresses of all newspaper employees, politicians, and their relatives.

I understand in New Jersey (?) where guns are illegal except for criminals, the police pull over registered gun owners and search their cars just to harass them.
 
MaggieD said:
Just. No.

I may or may not be carrying my gun, first of all. Secondly, stolen guns are a valuable commodity. I don't want to inadvertently put a target on my back.

Hands on steering wheel. I have a legal firearm in a holster in my waistband. Obey the officer's instructions to the letter. Remember, he just wants to make it home at the end of his shift.

Some, not all, jurisdictions correlate licenses and registrations to driver's licenses. That's fine. They should all do it. But advertising to strangers? No way.
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Bravo ! :applaud
 
Harshaw said:
One might (and does) argue that life is precious, and if the aggressor who threatens your life values HIS, he'll think long and hard about his aggression when he knows he puts his own life on the line by so threatening.
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When a motorist reaching for his registration has to be shot dead because you feel he "threatens your life" - then there's something wrong. And then to badmouth the deceased in order ret-con and retro-fit a justification onto the punishment to make it all seem justified - that's just adding insult to injury.

Crimefree said:
Self-defence should be focused on defence of the victim giving the VICTIM the best chance of survival. The idea of giving criminals defenceless victims is so oppressive and inhuman such people should be punished just for thinking of it.
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By insisting lethality is the only means to be effective, you've effectively declared your society to be a warzone. Inability to contain violence and indiscriminate retaliation are intrinsic features of war.
 
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Most gun CCW owners don't wear their handgun when driving unless it's in a shoulder holster like a cop. Too many pokes and jabs for waist carry.

They put it in the console or glove compartment.

And if the smart ass with a screw gun and a metal plate comes at me, it is your dick that is going to be screwed to the floor. Grow up.
 
Lovebug said:
I want special license plates for people who use cell phones while driving.

Legal gun owners will tell a cop about their weapon. Only crooks have something to hide, and they most certainly won't sport a special license plate announcing their illegal possession.
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The purpose would be to adequately forewarn others that one is armed, in order to avoid misunderstanding and conflict between law-abiding people. Guns kill law-abiding people, too - and for us to then retroactively declare them non-law-abiding in order to pretend that nothing wrongful happened, is a recipe for social explosion.
 
sanman said:
When a motorist reaching for his registration has to be shot dead because you feel he "threatens your life" - then there's something wrong. And then to badmouth the deceased in order ret-con and retro-fit a justification onto the punishment to make it all seem justified - that's just adding insult to injury.
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This doesn't have the slightest bit to do with anything I said.

Not the slightest bit. The slightest bit. With anything I said. Anything.


By insisting lethality is the only means to be effective, you've effectively declared your society to be a warzone. Inability to contain violence and indiscriminate retaliation are intrinsic features of war.
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And this had nothing to do with what HE said. For starters, who said it was the "only" effective means?
 
sanman said:
Would it be useful to have special license plates or stickers for gun owners who travel with their guns? That way law enforcement would immediately know they were dealing with a gun carrying motorist, even before they pull them over.
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Welcome to the dark side . :roll: How many fees should we attach to that ? How many government zombies will it take to put that gem in effect ?
 
jkennedy said:
How about one of those stickers like the "Baby on Board" stickers? It could say, "Coward on Board."
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Someone who takes responsibility for their own protection is a coward, but someone who just relies on the government to protect them isn't?

Interesting concept. You'll need to expound on that one for me.
 
Socrates1 said:
Welcome to the dark side . :roll: How many fees should we attach to that ? How many government zombies will it take to put that gem in effect ?
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Next you'll say that even guns themselves should be free, in order to avoid any costs whatsoever.

Actually, I wonder what would happen to the pro-gun lobby and the firearms industry if guns were made free and it became illegal to sell them for profit.
 
sanman said:
The purpose would be to adequately forewarn others that one is armed, in order to avoid misunderstanding and conflict between law-abiding people. Guns kill law-abiding people, too - and for us to then retroactively declare them non-law-abiding in order to pretend that nothing wrongful happened, is a recipe for social explosion.
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Does this happen enough for gun owners to be forced to advertise to criminals that there is a gun in the car to be stolen? Seriously, how often does it occur? Perhaps a big scarlet A on the license plate....that seems to fit your mindset...

Sorry, but if a single word describes the idea, it is "obtuse"...
 
sanman said:
Next you'll say that even guns themselves should be free, in order to avoid any costs whatsoever.

Actually, I wonder what would happen to the pro-gun lobby and the firearms industry if guns were made free and it became illegal to sell them for profit.
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Falling deeper into the dark side . No one talked about products being free , only democrats want free stuff . What we object to is CONTROL , fees , and MORE government . My God does everything have to be spoon fed ?
 
BretJ said:
Does this happen enough for gun owners to be forced to advertise to criminals that there is a gun in the car to be stolen? Seriously, how often does it occur? Perhaps a big scarlet A on the license plate....that seems to fit your mindset...

Sorry, but if a single word describes the idea, it is "obtuse"...
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I thought a gun is supposed to protect you from theft - but now you're arguing that a gun increases vulnerability to theft. Which is it? Make up your mind.

Should a person really be leaving their gun unattended in their car? That doesn't sound responsible - it's a deadly weapon. You're arguing for freedom from responsibility.
 
BretJ said:
Does this happen enough for gun owners to be forced to advertise to criminals that there is a gun in the car to be stolen? Seriously, how often does it occur? Perhaps a big scarlet A on the license plate....that seems to fit your mindset...

Sorry, but if a single word describes the idea, it is "obtuse"...
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I thought a gun is supposed to protect you from theft - but now you're arguing that a gun increases vulnerability to theft. Which is it? Make up your mind.

Should a person really be leaving their gun unattended in their car? That doesn't sound responsible - it's a deadly weapon, not a flashlight. You're arguing for freedom from responsibility.

"I usually leave a gun under my doormat too - I just don't tell anyone - it's in case I get locked out of my house and can't get to my regular gun inside"
 
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sanman said:
I thought a gun is supposed to protect you from theft - but now you're arguing that a gun increases vulnerability to theft. Which is it? Make up your mind.

Should a person really be leaving their gun unattended in their car? That doesn't sound responsible - it's a deadly weapon, not a flashlight. You're arguing for freedom from responsibility.

"I usually leave a gun under my doormat too - I just don't tell anyone - it's in case I get locked out of my house and can't get to my regular gun inside"
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Dont be a pinhead. If I go into an establishment with carry restrictions or government property, I am forced to leave the weapon secured in my vehicle even though a criminal would not. Note the word secured..... In addition, I carry concealed for a reason. I have no desire to let anyone know I am armed.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Special plates sounds like a great idea. Attached with six-inch screws to the forehead so they don't fall off.
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Six hex drive screws six inches long?

6-6-6....
 
Moon said:
Someone who takes responsibility for their own protection is a coward, but someone who just relies on the government to protect them isn't?

Interesting concept. You'll need to expound on that one for me.
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No kidding.

I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Special plates sounds like a great idea. Attached with six-inch screws to the forehead so they don't fall off.
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I don't think screws longer than 4" are legal without a special permit in the UK. Could hurt someone with those.
 
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