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The Dallas Shooter

How could this of happened if Dallas isn't a gun free zone ?

:roll:

that's a stupid question and I suspect you know why. its like saying someone who hit a tree doing 120 MPH was WEARING a seatbelt and yet he was killed.
 
any weapon that accepts a detachable magazine can accept a "banana clip" (LOL more Jet ignorance of proper terms). The only issue has one been made for what appears to be an old Marlin or Savage 22 lr.

I noticed that too. "Pew! Pew! Pew!" LOL
 
Weird huh; all those armed law abiding citizens with CCW and open carry. None of them ran down there to shoot the guy and save 'Merica.

And the ton of police could tell who was who because...

Come on, it would be too stupid.
 
I noticed that too. "Pew! Pew! Pew!" LOL

some 22 rifles-like the 10-22, have huge amounts of aftermarket magazines due to the popularity. Some aren't as popular and that is why they don't have extended capacity Aftermarket magazines. I bet Butler Creek's "banana Magazine" for the 10-22 is probably more popular than the 10 round factory standard for the 10-22. You know it probably is because RUGER finally started making their own version of that 25 round "banana" magazine.
 
Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people and injured over 600. He didn't fire a single shot. If someone wants to kill someone, they will figure it out.
 
Weird huh; all those armed law abiding citizens with CCW and open carry. None of them ran down there to shoot the guy and save 'Merica.

My thoughts exactly. Where were all those gun toting good ol boys always ready to gun down the guys? Heck, this was just one buhlack man, they shoulda had him in their sights already. Or at least turned him into Trump's hit squad!
 
Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people and injured over 600. He didn't fire a single shot. If someone wants to kill someone, they will figure it out.

Yes. You mean the white Christian terrorist McVeigh? ISIS would be sooo proud of him. Killed more Americans than they could dream of.
 
My thoughts exactly. Where were all those gun toting good ol boys always ready to gun down the guys? Heck, this was just one buhlack man, they shoulda had him in their sights already. Or at least turned him into Trump's hit squad!

do you realize how incredibly stupid that comment is? being armed is not a guarantee that you can stop a violent criminal. it only improves your odds. Your solution-a complete gun ban would have not changed anything for the better. Its amazing the lack of logic coming from members of the bannerrhoid movement.

what posts like yours do is to prove that its all about the politics of gun owners that agitates the BM.

Let me guess-you are going to vote for Hillary come this fall?
 
People like you sell lots of those weapons by trying to ban them.

Gomez is a morn and a disgrace to his former agency.


and the second amendment is about citizens being able to own REAL military rifles

less than 2% of all gunshot deaths each year involve the weapons that cause the Bannerrhoids to soil themselves.

The media is doing its best to tell copycat mass shooters to use these weapons

Good job Bannerhroids

good job anti gun media fools


You missed the point...

How many of these weapons wouldn't be in circulation if the assault weapons ban hadn't been allowed to expire twenty years ago?
 
do you realize how incredibly stupid that comment is? being armed is not a guarantee that you can stop a violent criminal. it only improves your odds. Your solution-a complete gun ban would have not changed anything for the better. Its amazing the lack of logic coming from members of the bannerrhoid movement.

what posts like yours do is to prove that its all about the politics of gun owners that agitates the BM.

Let me guess-you are going to vote for Hillary come this fall?

It wasn't me claiming that if those folks at Pulse (one of whom was a friend who died) carried they could have gone all Rambo on the shooter, was it?
 
You missed the point...

How many of these weapons wouldn't be in circulation if the assault weapons ban hadn't been allowed to expire twenty years ago?

the same because that stupid ban was easily avoided by merely deletion of a few cosmetic features. and that ban would have been struck down after Heller. Try to make a rational argument for why 10 rounds is a proper limit rather than say 15 or 20 or why a telescoping stock is something that makes a weapon unworthy of second amendment protection. My wife, much shorter than I am (I am 6-1, she 5-4) can use the same rifle I do with an adjustable stock.
 
It wasn't me claiming that if those folks at Pulse (one of whom was a friend who died) carried they could have gone all Rambo on the shooter, was it?

If you read my comments I noted that in a bar where people were drinking, it makes sense that they were not carrying firearms. What was needed is better security
 
Used a gun similar to those used in recent mass shootings.

He killed FIVE police officers.

How many of these weapons wouldn't be in circulation if the assault weapons ban hadn't been allowed to expire twenty years ago?

Reagan's rolling in his grave.

NEW YORK (WABC) -- Details are emerging about the weapon used to carry out the deadly ambush on police officers in Dallas, and while not confirmed, it is believed that the sniper used what is increasingly the weapon of choice in mass shootings.

"We will find that it was a military-style assault weapon with a large capacity magazine on it," Citizens Crime Commission president Richard Aborn said. "And this happens over and over and over again."

Last month, a military-style rifle was used by the gunman who killed 49 people at an Orlando nightclub. And last December, a husband and wife terrorist team killed 14 using a similar semi-automatic rifle. Adam Lanza used a military-type rifle in 2012 to kill 26 students and teachers at a school in Newtown Connecticut, and a similar AR-15-type military rifle was used to kill 12 people earlier that year in a Colorado movie theater.

"The AR-15 Assault weapon is the preferred weapon of these mass killers," former NYPD sergeant and FBI special agent Manuel Gomez said.

Gomez says that until Congress reinstates the ban on these military-style weapons, they will continue to be used in mass shootings because of their killing efficiency.

"You can shoot 50, 60, up to 100 rounds in one minute," he said. "And each round designed to enter the body and tear that piece that it entered apart."

A report by New York's Citizen Crime Commission concluded that after Congress lifted the ban on these military-style rifles in 2004, the number of people killed by semi-automatic, high-capacity guns tripled. Aborn said the Dallas police killings adds to their death toll.
Ignorance and disgusting to be pushing an agenda before the officers are even cold. Thought better of you before now
 
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You missed the point...

How many of these weapons wouldn't be in circulation if the assault weapons ban hadn't been allowed to expire twenty years ago?

I own two that are pre-ban, and I owned them pre-ban. I also have, and had, a few dozen magazines that are banned in deep blue states where people's rights take a back seat to the government. I'm not the only one. There are millions of these weapons in circulation. The old ban didn't stop killings or the black market sale of these rifles. That's why it was allowed to laps without being reinstated. The same applies now.

To answer your question - hundreds of thousands, if not millions.
 
My thoughts exactly. Where were all those gun toting good ol boys always ready to gun down the guys? Heck, this was just one buhlack man, they shoulda had him in their sights already. Or at least turned him into Trump's hit squad!

Sorry I had other things to attend to, otherwise ................
 
I own two that are pre-ban, and I owned them pre-ban. I also have, and had, a few dozen magazines that are banned in deep blue states where people's rights take a back seat to the government. I'm not the only one. There are millions of these weapons in circulation. The old ban didn't stop killings or the black market sale of these rifles. That's why it was allowed to laps without being reinstated. The same applies now.

To answer your question - hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

many of us who own AR 15s (I have a bunch and I have stashed several receivers in my safes) are stocking up on magazines since the Bannerrhoids might try to ban those though I doubt the Democrats want to have happen in 2018 what happened in 1994.
 
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50 round "drum" for 22 caliber pistol.
 
Yes. You mean the white Christian terrorist McVeigh? ISIS would be sooo proud of him. Killed more Americans than they could dream of.

Whatever floats your boat.
 
Yes. You mean the white Christian terrorist McVeigh? ISIS would be sooo proud of him. Killed more Americans than they could dream of.

And your point is........
 
And your point is........

His anti gun position is not based on a desire to control crime but rather his obvious loathing of the conservative culture that values gun rights and the political support the NRA gives to candidates who probably don't support most of Howard's left wing agenda
 
My thoughts exactly. Where were all those gun toting good ol boys always ready to gun down the guys? Heck, this was just one buhlack man, they shoulda had him in their sights already. Or at least turned him into Trump's hit squad!

This was a bunch of libs protesting. Y'all ain't really known fer packin'. ;)
 
Used a gun similar to those used in recent mass shootings.

He killed FIVE police officers.

How many of these weapons wouldn't be in circulation if the assault weapons ban hadn't been allowed to expire twenty years ago?

Reagan's rolling in his grave.
Just in case no one has educated you on what is an isn't an assault rifle and why the shooter would have still been able to get one these alleged assault weapons I will educate you.

He still would have been able to get an AR-15 even if the Brady assault weapons ban was still in place. The Brady assault weapons ban only banned the firearm by name only and certain cosmetic features.Because under the Brady assault weapons ban this is not an assault weapon if was called by another another name and since it does not have a flash suppressor, bayonet lug or a collapsible buttstock.


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This is a Norinco Mac 90 sporter.Also not an assault weapon under the Brady assault weapons ban.Because it is not called an AK-47, it does not have a pistol grip, bayonet mount/lug, nor is the end of the barrel threaded to accept a flash suppressor or bayonet mount/lug.
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By the way the Brady Assault weapons ban didn't do anything for civilian firearms already deemed assault weapons that were already in circulation and it expired in 2004, meaning it expired 12 years ago, not 20 years ago.


What determines what is and isn't assault under the Brady assault weapons ban is the two or more features test.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
Under the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 the definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon" included specific semi-automatic firearm models by name, and other semi-automatic firearms that possessed two or more from a set certain features:[SUP][11][/SUP]

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
  • Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
  • Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
  • Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
  • Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
  • A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
  • Folding or telescoping stock
  • Pistol grip
  • Detachable magazine.



If you don't have a subscription to this liberal documentary there is a link to the transcript.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/what-assault-weapons-ban/

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Books and News/What Assault Weapons Ban?/

Feinstein: It also, in its physical features test, is
aimed at copycats, and one of the things that we found
was if you just_ban_19 specific weapons, suddenly
the_name_changes, and instead of an AK-47 you have a
Mitchell this, or a Norinco that. And to a great extent
we get at this.
Stahl [voiceover, footage of Norinco MAK-90 rifle]:
But once agian, the ban has backfired. Five months after
it took effect, the copycats are_already_out. [cut to
photo graphics] This is the TEC-22, banned by the
assault weapons bill. This is the new Sport 22 from the
same manufacturer. The only difference? The new gun has
no threads on the barrel. [return to footage of the MAK-
90] The ban_specifically_outlaws the AK-47, but it
doesn't do anything about the_M_AK-90.
Stahl [interviewing unidentified dealer at Miami gun
show about the MAK-90]: Isn't this exactly the same gun
as the AK-47?
Dealer: It's very similar.
Stahl: What's different? Can you show me?
Dealer: It's got a thumbhole stock, which is
necessary for importation, and it does not have a
bayonet.
 
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You missed the point...

How many of these weapons wouldn't be in circulation if the assault weapons ban hadn't been allowed to expire twenty years ago?

They would have still been in circulation just under a different name,maybe have different magazines and lacking bayonet lugs, threaded barrels and flash suppressors. Also the ban did not expire 20 years ago, it expired nearly 12 years ago. The ban also did not ban grandfathered in firearms and magazines.
 
Used a gun similar to those used in recent mass shootings.

He killed FIVE police officers.

How many of these weapons wouldn't be in circulation if the assault weapons ban hadn't been allowed to expire twenty years ago?

Reagan's rolling in his grave.

NEW YORK (WABC) -- Details are emerging about the weapon used to carry out the deadly ambush on police officers in Dallas, and while not confirmed, it is believed that the sniper used what is increasingly the weapon of choice in mass shootings.

"We will find that it was a military-style assault weapon with a large capacity magazine on it," Citizens Crime Commission president Richard Aborn said. "And this happens over and over and over again."

Last month, a military-style rifle was used by the gunman who killed 49 people at an Orlando nightclub. And last December, a husband and wife terrorist team killed 14 using a similar semi-automatic rifle. Adam Lanza used a military-type rifle in 2012 to kill 26 students and teachers at a school in Newtown Connecticut, and a similar AR-15-type military rifle was used to kill 12 people earlier that year in a Colorado movie theater.

"The AR-15 Assault weapon is the preferred weapon of these mass killers," former NYPD sergeant and FBI special agent Manuel Gomez said.

Gomez says that until Congress reinstates the ban on these military-style weapons, they will continue to be used in mass shootings because of their killing efficiency.

"You can shoot 50, 60, up to 100 rounds in one minute," he said. "And each round designed to enter the body and tear that piece that it entered apart."

A report by New York's Citizen Crime Commission concluded that after Congress lifted the ban on these military-style rifles in 2004, the number of people killed by semi-automatic, high-capacity guns tripled. Aborn said the Dallas police killings adds to their death toll.

'Endorsements for the
Assault Weapons Ban of 2013

Law Enforcement

International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators
International Association of Chiefs of Police
Major Cities Chiefs Association
National Association of Women Law Enforcement Executives
National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence
National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives
Police Executive Research Forum
Police Foundation
Women in Federal Law Enforcement
Chaska, Minn., Police Chief Scott Knight, former chairman of the Firearms Committee, International Association of Chiefs of Police
Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca
Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck
San Diego Police Chief Bill Lansdowne'


Assault Weapons Ban endorsements - Assault Weapons - United States Senator Dianne Feinstein


BTW, I am not a fan of Feinstein, I just used her website for this list.
 
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