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Why the Next Supreme Court Is Poised to Roll Back Gun Rights

Kal'Stang said:
How you see it does not matter. How it actually IS does. So, I guess you don't want to actually have a real discussion of the 2nd Amendment, what the founders thought at the time of people owning guns, and its actual meaning.
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You wish to discuss 2A rights?

I believe and support them and in accord with the holdings of SCOTUS.........

All this founding father stuff (which in truth does not math the history of the times) as an argument against the ban on 2A rights is foolish and unnecessary.......

No one is coming after your guns...........

Although gun ownership devotees represent less than 10% of society..........

If any government tried to "come get your guns"............

You would find most of America would not allow it.......

The only reason NRA pushes these silly scare tactics is to drive membership..........

And increase dues payments.......

If yall take a look at the NRA's and associated non-profit corporations Form 990........


Can quickly see they folks at the top have a real sweet heart deal.........and want to keep it that way....

This dust-up is not about gun rights..........

Its all about the money......

Trying to use the Founder's as a compelling argument is more than silly.......

Few if any care what the Founders said two hundred years ago.......or for that matter know their names.........

Or what it means to be a founder......
 
imyoda said:
You wish to discuss 2A rights?

I believe and support them and in accord with the holdings of SCOTUS.........

All this founding father stuff (which in truth does not math the history of the times) as an argument against the ban on 2A rights is foolish and unnecessary.......

No one is coming after your guns...........

Although gun ownership devotees represent less than 10% of society..........

If any government tried to "come get your guns"............

You would find most of America would not allow it.......

The only reason NRA pushes these silly scare tactics is to drive membership..........

And increase dues payments.......

If yall take a look at the NRA's and associated non-profit corporations Form 990........


Can quickly see they folks at the top have a real sweet heart deal.........and want to keep it that way....

This dust-up is not about gun rights..........

Its all about the money......

Trying to use the Founder's as a compelling argument is more than silly.......

Few if any care what the Founders said two hundred years ago.......or for that matter know their names.........

Or what it means to be a founder......
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I see, so if what the founders meant for the 2nd Amendment doesn't matter then why talk about traditional meaning of the 2nd Amendment? You're the one that brought this up dude. And now the moment that someone shows you the facts of the 2nd Amendments traditional meaning you back out and say that it doesn't matter? I'm :roll: and :lamo at the same time dude. All this does is show that you don't care about anything except pushing your agenda to eventually get guns banned from individuals using them. Despite your "claims" of not actually wanting to. Since you do not want to have a real discussion on this I think I'm done on this particular bit for now. Ta Ta. :2wave:
 
Kal'Stang said:
I see, so if what the founders meant for the 2nd Amendment doesn't matter then why talk about traditional meaning of the 2nd Amendment? You're the one that brought this up dude. And now the moment that someone shows you the facts of the 2nd Amendments traditional meaning you back out and say that it doesn't matter? I'm :roll: and :lamo at the same time dude. All this does is show that you don't care about anything except pushing your agenda to eventually get guns banned from individuals using them. Despite your "claims" of not actually wanting to. Since you do not want to have a real discussion on this I think I'm done on this particular bit for now. Ta Ta. :2wave:
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Yup…..Whatever the Founding Fathers said (and most of the quotes used are false, never uttered or “massaged” to fit the need) means little if more so nothing at all………The only thing relevant are the holdings of the SCOTUS……….

As I said, what some old farts said 200 Years ago is interesting…………but means little…….
Time changes….society changes……as does the needs of society…….
The constitution is a living document; and was designed as such by the Founding fathers…….
Now I am sure you will ask what the difference between the two…….
Well the Founder’s wrote in to the constitution the powers and duty of SCOTUS……

Having said that………..
What do you mean by “traditional 2A rights”? Define it.

BTW

I have no agenda other than hold to and support the law as set down by the SCOTUS………
You have no basis of charging me as a “gun grabber”………Or more offensively someone who says what he does not mean…….. Or in essence to call me a liar……..

For me……..It is simple……I support the findings of SCOTUS……even if I do not li8ke them

Now there is no need for that………..Is there?

Looking forward to hearing from you whenever you decide to continue
 
imyoda said:
It is not how widely owned and popular a firearm is ...........It is a simple matter of a state passing a law banning them.......and law is supported by citizens

as has been done in NY and Conn.....................and constitutional to do so.......


Does that qualify as interesting?
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I have a lot more faith in the intelligence and pragmatism of the SC than you I guess. On the other hand, they did allow Prohibition to pass and forced slaves to be returned to their owners so you may have a slight point
 
imyoda said:
So-called common sense is most often used as an excuse justifying a position in a subject they have no knowledge........

And if mental illness becomes and issue regarding the possession/ownership of a gun...........it will soon be "studied".........special commission 'ed....... commissioned comprehensive reported......to death....

Because it cost's too much to fix (if that were possible) or an active single-issue voting block which pols can appeal to for votes
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Like "common sense" gun laws? Agree with you fully on that one.
 
BretJ said:
I have a lot more faith in the intelligence and pragmatism of the SC than you I guess. On the other hand, they did allow Prohibition to pass and forced slaves to be returned to their owners so you may have a slight point
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Do you pay much attention to current news.............like of the SCOTUS...........and decisions rendered this term?
 
BretJ said:
Like "common sense" gun laws? Agree with you fully on that one.
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I sill do not hold too much weight in common sense......or any one/group that uses it

Just remember common sense is not common sense............
 
imyoda said:
I sill do not hold too much weight in common sense......or any one/group that uses it

Just remember common sense is not common sense............
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thank you Mr. Orwell?
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
Are ANTI-GUN threads the only thing you make threads about?

Sure seems like it. I do not even read them anymore.
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He also makes anti-Trump posts from within the room that his Clinton shrine is located.
 
imyoda said:
Those words are your words............

There is plenty of room to fully define what the Second Amendment means at law.............


Let's start with what ""A well regulated Militia............."

Catch my drift.......
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Sure, we can start with "a well regulated militia", as long as we end with, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
 
countryboy said:
I doubt it.
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How could we ever discuss anything if you doubt what I say is so?

It's no wonder differences are never resolved......

Some one decides not to trust what another person says........

Seems down right hopeless of any form of agreement or understanding.......

All based upon someone's decision to not to trust what another says as being honest and /or truthful
 
imyoda said:
Yup…..Whatever the Founding Fathers said (and most of the quotes used are false, never uttered or “massaged” to fit the need) means little if more so nothing at all………The only thing relevant are the holdings of the SCOTUS……….

As I said, what some old farts said 200 Years ago is interesting…………but means little…….
Time changes….society changes……as does the needs of society…….
The constitution is a living document; and was designed as such by the Founding fathers…….
Now I am sure you will ask what the difference between the two…….
Well the Founder’s wrote in to the constitution the powers and duty of SCOTUS……

Having said that………..
What do you mean by “traditional 2A rights”? Define it.

BTW

I have no agenda other than hold to and support the law as set down by the SCOTUS………
You have no basis of charging me as a “gun grabber”………Or more offensively someone who says what he does not mean…….. Or in essence to call me a liar……..

For me……..It is simple……I support the findings of SCOTUS……even if I do not li8ke them

Now there is no need for that………..Is there?

Looking forward to hearing from you whenever you decide to continue
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Shows how little you understand the course of history, bud.

I personally could give 2 shifts about what the Supreme Court says, because my allegiance was to support and defend the Constitution, not the charlatans who make it their job to try to circumvent the rights enshrined in it.

When you and your little progressive friends want to come and take my gun without a gun, come on...the earlier the better because I eat breakfast at 6:30.




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jwzg said:
Shows how little you understand the course of history, bud.

I personally could give 2 shifts about what the Supreme Court says, because my allegiance was to support and defend the Constitution, not the charlatans who make it their job to try to circumvent the rights enshrined in it.

When you and your little progressive friends want to come and take my gun without a gun, come on...the earlier the better because I eat breakfast at 6:30.


Is there anything I could say that might change your mind? No you say.............Nice speaking with you

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Is there anything I could say that might change your mind? No you say.............Nice speaking with you
 
imyoda said:
Is there anything I could say that might change your mind? No you say.............Nice speaking with you
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...which is precisely what we want: to be left alone with our semi-automatic, military rifles safely in our closets.

I'd love to pour you a beer and chat about your family, how we can serve mankind, etc., but when you want to take my military weapon which may deter some thug or despot AND my beer from me and give it to someone else claiming that society is better for it, that's a whole different matter.

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jwzg said:
...which is precisely what we want: to be left alone with our semi-automatic, military rifles safely in our closets.

I'd love to pour you a beer and chat about your family, how we can serve mankind, etc., but when you want to take my military weapon which may deter some thug or despot AND my beer from me and give it to someone else claiming that society is better for it, that's a whole different matter.

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I have several Semi auto military rifles

several MI GARANDS including two National match versions

a half dozen MI Carbines

and a couple FN-FALs. though most countries that used them used versions with a selector switch (which is a waste of ammo-those suckers in full auto are almost worthless for hit potential after the first couple rounds)

Most of the other stuff i have that LOOKS like military rifles are not-AR 15, Beretta AR-70, AK-103, AK-74, etc-all are firearms never issued to the military
 
jwzg said:
...which is precisely what we want: to be left alone with our semi-automatic, military rifles safely in our closets.

I'd love to pour you a beer and chat about your family, how we can serve mankind, etc., but when you want to take my military weapon which may deter some thug or despot AND my beer from me and give it to someone else claiming that society is better for it, that's a whole different matter.

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Then you best talk to the vast majority who want something other than what you're suggesting.............

"Defend my family from thugs and other type boogie men..." is a childhood "good guy-bad guy" delusion..........

BTW

I don't drink............
 
TurtleDude said:
I have several Semi auto military rifles

several MI GARANDS including two National match versions

a half dozen MI Carbines

and a couple FN-FALs. though most countries that used them used versions with a selector switch (which is a waste of ammo-those suckers in full auto are almost worthless for hit potential after the first couple rounds)

Most of the other stuff i have that LOOKS like military rifles are not-AR 15, Beretta AR-70, AK-103, AK-74, etc-all are firearms never issued to the military
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You get the drift...the AR & AK are standard calibre weapons for military issue with common ammo. They aren't military issue, but pretty much identical in all but automatic/burst mode.

If I have to fight, I want what my enemy has, so when I run out of ammo, I can just use his.

Well regulated, right?

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imyoda said:
Then you best talk to the vast majority who want something other than what you're suggesting.............

"Defend my family from thugs and other type boogie men..." is a childhood "good guy-bad guy" delusion..........

BTW

I don't drink............
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Fortunately, I couldn't give two shifts about what the "majority" thinks either. That's why we have weapons. To keep the "majority" from taking advantage of numbers.

It's not childhood at all...not one bit.
 
jwzg said:
Not you, chief...imyoda seems to think I keep weapons for target practice or something.
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no problem, that's what i figure. I have firearms for all sorts of reasons. some are for pure target practice, some are for home defense. some are for defense while I am on the road and others when I am on foot
 
TurtleDude said:
though most countries that used them used versions with a selector switch (which is a waste of ammo-those suckers in full auto are almost worthless for hit potential after the first couple rounds)
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Sure does keep the enemies' heads down though :2razz:
 
jwzg said:
Sure does keep the enemies' heads down though :2razz:
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I met a Gurkha once. They used FALs without full auto switches. conserved ammo. but yeah those suckers in full auto were something else. I could pretty much put a 3 round burst out of a M16 on a Milpark at 50 yards without any problem. same with an AUG or a MP5 etc. M14 from prone, FAL only with a bipod
 
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