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Why Gun Nuts Lie - I Know From Experience[W:516:1716:2243]

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Peter King said:
No, this is DebatePolitics, and again, I do not give a flying fig about your opinions about me.

Nugent is a maniac and an idiot. And people like him aren't hurting anyone? I am sorry, but he is giving all the decent gun owners and conservatives in the United States a bad name.

And I live in a country (not a State, that is you where reside) where WE THE PEOPLE have decided that we want to live in a country with strong gun restrictions. Period, simple and very easy to understand WE THE PEOPLE do not want a country with loads of gun. There are no natural threats to consider (like in the US), hunters can still get permits, unlike in the US there is no part of our country where the police takes forever to get too (small country with no large areas where there is almost nobody living there and no local police force) and people who do competitive shooting can get a license for a gun. That is what WE THE DUTCH PEOPLE have decided.

And that you think that disgusting again is your problem, not mine.
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If some of the Muslim jihadists you have so foolishly invited into your statist utopia one day start butchering you THE DUTCH PEOPLE by the scores because they hate you for breathing, and everyone runs around doing nothing to stop it because no one is armed, you THE DUTCH PEOPLE will have a situation that is simple and very easy to understand: Sheep get led to the slaughter. You will have called the tune, and you will have to pay the piper.
 
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matchlight said:
If some of the Muslim jihadists you have so foolishly invited into your statist utopia one day start butchering you THE DUTCH PEOPLE by the scores because they hate you for breathing, and everyone runs around doing nothing to stop it because no one is armed, you THE DUTCH PEOPLE will have a situation that is simple and very easy to understand: Sheep get led to the slaughter. You will have called the tune, and you will have to pay the piper.
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Great more complaining that we do not want to have a gun centered society like the US is.

1. there are armed people, they are called the proper authorities.
2. gun ownership did not prevent previous acts of terror in countries where gun ownership is much more prevalent.
3. we do not foolishly invite Muslims, we help refugees
4. it is very easy to understand that some Americans are so obsessed about owning guns that they cannot comprehend or accept that other countries have other laws and opinions.
 
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imyoda said:
Why Gun Nuts Lie ? I Know From Experience
Why Gun Nuts Lie - I Know From Experience

“………I also understand and appreciate our Constitution. I’m fully aware of the 2nd Amendment, and how its authors wanted to prevent government tyranny. Considering what they had gone through, they had every right to demand such a thing.”


There are lots of reasons why people lie. And without question they lie about guns. But to eliminate the author suggests there is no need to lie if following proposal is implemented which will end all the controversy:



“Treat guns like cars.

Mandatory licenses
License renewals
Mandatory training
Mandatory insurance
Operating laws
Operating age limits
Restrict some models
Require safety inspections
Mandatory registration
Background checks
With this, the manufacturers of guns are never held accountable for the actions of people who abuse their products.

Do we have a deal?

Let’s stop acting like there are only 2 sides of this argument. We’re killing each other. Literally.
Please, for the love of logic, stop using outdated ridiculous concepts of tyranny to defend the dying dinosaur that is our 2nd Amendment.
Like it or not, it needs an update”


I think this is a great idea and will go a long way to end the controversy and eliminate the need to lie

SEE:
Why Gun Nuts Lie ? I Know From Experience
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Yet another USUAL SUSPECT, says their USUAL STUFF, not realizing they are not changing one person's point of view on that subject.

INSANITY (paraphrased) = expecting different results by saying the same thing over and over again, knowing full well it will lead nowhere.
 
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Peter King said:
Great more complaining that we do not want to have a gun centered society like the US is.

1. there are armed people, they are called the proper authorities.
2. gun ownership did not prevent previous acts of terror in countries where gun ownership is much more prevalent.
3. we do not foolishly invite Muslims, we help refugees
4. it is very easy to understand that some Americans are so obsessed about owning guns that they cannot comprehend or accept that other countries have other laws and opinions.
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I have no problem with the Dutch people deciding they want strict gun control laws, if that's what you people want knock yourselves out, just don't give us crap because we feel just as strongly about keeping our 2nd Amendment rights.
 
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blaxshep said:
I have no problem with the Dutch people deciding they want strict gun control laws, if that's what you people want knock yourselves out, just don't give us crap because we feel just as strongly about keeping our 2nd Amendment rights.
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I was not giving people crap, all I said that I thought the stipulation "gun nuts" was an unfair for people who are in favor of the 2nd amendment. But for some reason that was grounds for some posters to give me a lot of aggro for being Dutch and being for strict gun laws in the Netherlands.
 
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Peter King said:
I was not giving people crap, all I said that I thought the stipulation "gun nuts" was an unfair for people who are in favor of the 2nd amendment. But for some reason that was grounds for some posters to give me a lot of aggro for being Dutch and being for strict gun laws in the Netherlands.
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We get a lot of people from other countries that think we are all gun crazy so people tend to be defensive, it's about rights and freedoms really and hey if other countries want safety over freedoms I respect that, we don't.
 
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imyoda said:
Why Gun Nuts Lie ? I Know From Experience
Why Gun Nuts Lie - I Know From Experience

“………I also understand and appreciate our Constitution. I’m fully aware of the 2nd Amendment, and how its authors wanted to prevent government tyranny. Considering what they had gone through, they had every right to demand such a thing.”

There are lots of reasons why people lie. And without question they lie about guns. But to eliminate the author suggests there is no need to lie if following proposal is implemented which will end all the controversy:



“Treat guns like cars.

Mandatory licenses
License renewals
Mandatory training
Mandatory insurance
Operating laws
Operating age limits
Restrict some models
Require safety inspections
Mandatory registration
Background checks
With this, the manufacturers of guns are never held accountable for the actions of people who abuse their products.

Do we have a deal?

Let’s stop acting like there are only 2 sides of this argument. We’re killing each other. Literally.
Please, for the love of logic, stop using outdated ridiculous concepts of tyranny to defend the dying dinosaur that is our 2nd Amendment.
Like it or not, it needs an update”


I think this is a great idea and will go a long way to end the controversy and eliminate the need to lie

SEE:
Why Gun Nuts Lie ? I Know From Experience
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Lets look at this closely.....

Mandatory licenses - There is no "mandatory license" to own a car.

License renewals - There is no "license renewals" to own a car.

Mandatory training - There is no "mandatory training" to own a car.

Mandatory insurance - There is no "mandatory insurance" to own a car.

Operating laws - There is no "operating laws" to own a car.

Operating age limits - There is no "Operating age limits" to own a car.

Restrict some models - There is no "Restrict some models" to own a car.

Require safety inspections - There is no "required safety inspections" to own a car.

Mandatory registration - There is no "mandatory registration" to own a car.

Background checks - There is no "background checks" to own a car.

Yes... By all means. Please make OWNERSHIP of a gun just like OWNERSHIP of cars.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Lets look at this closely.....

Mandatory licenses - There is no "mandatory license" to own a car.

License renewals - There is no "license renewals" to own a car.

Mandatory training - There is no "mandatory training" to own a car.

Mandatory insurance - There is no "mandatory insurance" to own a car.

Operating laws - There is no "operating laws" to own a car.

Operating age limits - There is no "Operating age limits" to own a car.

Restrict some models - There is no "Restrict some models" to own a car.

Require safety inspections - There is no "required safety inspections" to own a car.

Mandatory registration - There is no "mandatory registration" to own a car.

Background checks - There is no "background checks" to own a car.

Yes... By all means. Please make OWNERSHIP of a gun just like OWNERSHIP of cars.
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However...any of these regulations, if applied to the USE of firearms, is still in violation of the 2nd Amendment.
 
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imyoda said:
Why Gun Nuts Lie ? I Know From Experience
Why Gun Nuts Lie - I Know From Experience

“………I also understand and appreciate our Constitution. I’m fully aware of the 2nd Amendment, and how its authors wanted to prevent government tyranny. Considering what they had gone through, they had every right to demand such a thing.”


There are lots of reasons why people lie. And without question they lie about guns. But to eliminate the author suggests there is no need to lie if following proposal is implemented which will end all the controversy:



“Treat guns like cars.

Mandatory licenses
License renewals
Mandatory training
Mandatory insurance
Operating laws
Operating age limits
Restrict some models
Require safety inspections
Mandatory registration
Background checks
With this, the manufacturers of guns are never held accountable for the actions of people who abuse their products.

Do we have a deal?

Let’s stop acting like there are only 2 sides of this argument. We’re killing each other. Literally.
Please, for the love of logic, stop using outdated ridiculous concepts of tyranny to defend the dying dinosaur that is our 2nd Amendment.
Like it or not, it needs an update”


I think this is a great idea and will go a long way to end the controversy and eliminate the need to lie

SEE:
Why Gun Nuts Lie ? I Know From Experience
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Hitler agrees with you, George Washington does not.

“When government takes away a citizens’ right to bear arms it becomes citizens’ duty to take away government’s right to govern.” - George Washington

“When any nation mistrusts it’s citizens with guns it is sending a clear message it not longer trusts it’s citizens because such a government has evil plans.” - George Washington.

“To conquer a nation first disarms its citizens.” - Adolf Hitler
 
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Peter King said:
I did not say that, in my first post I wrote:



You seem, I clearly stated it was a minority at best, and that most gun rights supporters are clearly not nuts.

Sadly my post is seen by someone as an insult, well, which is nonsensical but there you are. Some non-gun nuts can go :cuckoo: for no good reason whatsoever.
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So noted...thanks for the clarification.

Peter King said:
No, this is DebatePolitics, and again, I do not give a flying fig about your opinions about me.

Nugent is a maniac and an idiot. And people like him aren't hurting anyone? I am sorry, but he is giving all the decent gun owners and conservatives in the United States a bad name.

And I live in a country (not a State, that is you where reside) where WE THE PEOPLE have decided that we want to live in a country with strong gun restrictions. Period, simple and very easy to understand WE THE PEOPLE do not want a country with loads of gun. There are no natural threats to consider (like in the US), hunters can still get permits, unlike in the US there is no part of our country where the police takes forever to get too (small country with no large areas where there is almost nobody living there and no local police force) and people who do competitive shooting can get a license for a gun. That is what WE THE DUTCH PEOPLE have decided.

And that you think that disgusting again is your problem, not mine.
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I'm happy that your happy.

ballantine said:
No.

No deal.

Compromise with foolish liberals is what got us to where we are today.

Save it for the RINO's.
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Ditto!

Peter King said:
Great more complaining that we do not want to have a gun centered society like the US is.

1. there are armed people, they are called the proper authorities.
2. gun ownership did not prevent previous acts of terror in countries where gun ownership is much more prevalent.
3. we do not foolishly invite Muslims, we help refugees
4. it is very easy to understand that some Americans are so obsessed about owning guns that they cannot comprehend or accept that other countries have other laws and opinions.
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I for one, am not complaining about your country or your country's agenda/policies. But, I'm unhappy that you think so poorly of gun owners in America....generally speaking.
Gun owning for me is not an obsession, just pure enjoyment, just like my collection of Italian motorcycles. And you know what? Some days are so busy, that I don't have time to think about either of those.....the guns or the bikes.
Tell ya what, you stay there, and I will stay here, and we can all rejoice in our own desires. :peace
 
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Peter King said:
Great more complaining that we do not want to have a gun centered society like the US is.

1. there are armed people, they are called the proper authorities.
2. gun ownership did not prevent previous acts of terror in countries where gun ownership is much more prevalent.
3. we do not foolishly invite Muslims, we help refugees
4. it is very easy to understand that some Americans are so obsessed about owning guns that they cannot comprehend or accept that other countries have other laws and opinions.
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1. Good luck with those "proper authorities." They didn't seem to do a hell of a lot of good at Charlie Hebdo, or in Belgium, or at the other Paris mass murder, or with the African savages who butchered the soldier in England, or with Theo Van Gogh, or last week at the airport in Istanbul, or with a couple dozen other mass murders of unbelievers that those nice refugees you like to help carried out in the name of Allah.

2. Guns can't prevent terrorist mass murders here, when they are committed in areas where guns are not allowed. In most cases, the murderers have been bright enough to select--and it doesn't take much brains--places where they know no one will be shooting back. Nidal Hasan, just to cite one of dozens of possible examples of this, knew very well that regulations at Fort Hood meant the soldiers he murdered in a jihadist attack would not be armed. All he needed to do to murder thirteen of them was to be the only one violating those regulations. In Israel, on the other hand, Arab jihadists have often been killed by armed civilians before they could get very far along in their murder sprees.

3. Call it whatever you want. Islamist sons of whores have infested much of Europe, where, true to the supremacist nature of their beliefs, they are busy subverting the native white cultures and trying to impose their own cruel, backward ways in their place. And at the rate they are outbreeding the locals, it won't be too many years before they are calling the shots and making dhimmis of those locals. If Europeans are foolish enough to commit cultural suicide, that's their lookout. All the same to me.

4. Many Americans are concerned with preserving their individual, fundamental right to keep and bear arms, just as they are concerned with, for example, preserving their individual, fundamental right to free speech. What laws and opinions foreigners choose are up to them. They are the ones who have to live with the consequences of their choices.
 
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matchlight said:
What you mean is that you CAN not cite such language from either Heller or McDonald. I am glad to see you demonstrate so clearly, once again, why no one should take anything you write here seriously. You couldn't cite any language from either of the two decisions on the Second Amendment that count to back up even one of the proposals you made. Repeating a lot of irrelevant Wikilaw garbage, much of which is no longer good law after Heller, cannot hide your lack of game.

I realize the fact makes every good leftist pouty, but the claim that the Second Amendment right applies only to militia was shot down in flames by Justice Scalia in his opinion for the majority in Heller. Claiming that an 1873 decision which is no longer valid, or that what Justice Stevens said to the contrary in his dissenting opinion is legal authority, is intellectually dishonest. The Court made crystal clear in Heller that the right protected by the Second Amendment is an individual right that is unrelated to the militia. In particular, the Court declined to interpret Miller nearly as broadly as your out-of-context quotes from it would have us believe.

You are pretending to know what you do not. I expect you to continue to destroy whatever shreds of credibility you might ever have had on these forums, and I look forward to watching you do it.
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No.............I did not want wade thru the Heller decision looking for the reaffirmation of government's right to regulate guns............

This right (and some consider it a duty) has been since God knows when.......

Just look at the 3 cases SCOTUS ruled on recently.........

All were affirming or leaving in place appellate court decision concerning/around state regulation of guns .......

The most telling is SCOTUS refusal to hear the NY and Conn gun regulations banning assault rifles leaving in place the Appellate court's decision affirming the state law ........

For you to argue there is no constitutional right for a state to regulate guns flies in the face of reality.......

Damn near if no all states have laws regulating the use of guns........

And for you to be blind to the existence is folly
 
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Fledermaus said:
Lets look at this closely.....

Mandatory licenses - There is no "mandatory license" to own a car.

License renewals - There is no "license renewals" to own a car.

Mandatory training - There is no "mandatory training" to own a car.

Mandatory insurance - There is no "mandatory insurance" to own a car.

Operating laws - There is no "operating laws" to own a car.

Operating age limits - There is no "Operating age limits" to own a car.

Restrict some models - There is no "Restrict some models" to own a car.

Require safety inspections - There is no "required safety inspections" to own a car.

Mandatory registration - There is no "mandatory registration" to own a car.

Background checks - There is no "background checks" to own a car.

Yes... By all means. Please make OWNERSHIP of a gun just like OWNERSHIP of cars.
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Cars and guns are two different things..........

States have the right to regulate guns............Period
 
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imyoda said:
Cars and guns are two different things..........

States have the right to regulate guns............Period
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They can as long they do not violate the 2nd.
 
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imyoda said:
For you to argue there is no constitutional right for a state to regulate guns flies in the face of reality
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That explains why I never made any such argument, or even implied any such thing was the case. Unlike you, I have read and analyzed McDonald v. Chicago, in which the Court made very clear that the right to keep and bear arms is fundamental, and that it therefore is incorporated in the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies against the states through that clause. But in holding the law at issue unconstitutional as applied, the Court never said, or even implied, that states could not impose ANY restrictions on the right protected by the Second Amendment. Of course they can.

The specific question here, though, is whether any language in either Heller or McDonald supports your assertion that the measures you proposed would pass constitutional muster. You have shown everyone here that you can't cite any such language--that you are just making a bare assertion that is not supported by legal authority.

The term "straw man" gets tossed around a lot on this site, usually by leftist dim bulbs who hope it will make other posters think they know more than they do. But what you did in the post I'm responding to fits the definition of that illegitimate debating tactic very well. You can't refute the arguments I actually make, so you concoct a ridiculous, easily refuted argument I have never made, falsely attribute it to me, and then proceed to expose that argument as ridiculous. That's just the sort of weak stuff I'd expect from you, having read your other posts.
 
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blaxshep said:
Not according to the constitution and Heller.
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According to the 10th amendment AND Heller; they do.
 
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Casca XV said:
Hitler agrees with you, George Washington does not.

“When government takes away a citizens’ right to bear arms it becomes citizens’ duty to take away government’s right to govern.” - George Washington

“When any nation mistrusts it’s citizens with guns it is sending a clear message it not longer trusts it’s citizens because such a government has evil plans.” - George Washington.

“To conquer a nation first disarms its citizens.” - Adolf Hitler
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These quote are ,often used by gun advocates .......

The only problem is they are bogus.........

And this is one of the reasons I find the GUN NUTS offensive.......

It is their dishonesty.........

Fake Quote Files: Adolf Hitler on Gun Registration, Conquest and Disarmament
Fake Quote Files: Adolf Hitler on Gun Registration, Conquest and Disarmament

The Big Apple: “To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens”
http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php...to_conquer_a_nation_first_disarm_its_citizens

Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern says Gov. John Kasich has power to force school board president to step aside
Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern says Gov. John Kasich has power to force school board president to step aside | PolitiFact Ohio

To Conquer a Nation
Adolf Hitler - To Conquer a Nation : snopes.com
Did George Washington offer support for individual gun rights, as meme says?
Did George Washington offer support for individual gun rights, as meme says? | PolitiFact

BOGUS George Washington Quote used to support gun ownership and wariness of government
https://bill4dogcatcher.wordpress.c...ort-gun-ownership-and-wariness-of-government/

Quotes that were never made by the Founders, but refuse to die, especially on the Internet, are discussed.
http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

George Washington on firearms
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=33357

Was George Washington the source of this quote equating government gun control with evil intentions?
http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q...-this-quote-equating-government-gun-control-w

Quotes, Misquotes and Guns
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/20/1172278/-Quotes-Misquotes-and-Guns


George Washingun
http://www.snopes.com/george-washington-gun-quote/


“To conquer a nation first disarms its citizens.” - Adolf Hitler[/QUOTE]

Fake Quote Files: Adolf Hitler on Gun Registration, Conquest and Disarmament
Fake Quote Files: Adolf Hitler on Gun Registration, Conquest and Disarmament

The Big Apple: “To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens”
http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php...to_conquer_a_nation_first_disarm_its_citizens

Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern says Gov. John Kasich has power to force school board president to step aside
Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern says Gov. John Kasich has power to force school board president to step aside | PolitiFact Ohio

To Conquer a Nation
Adolf Hitler - To Conquer a Nation : snopes.com
Did George Washington offer support for individual gun rights, as meme says?
Did George Washington offer support for individual gun rights, as meme says? | PolitiFact

BOGUS George Washington Quote used to support gun ownership and wariness of government
https://bill4dogcatcher.wordpress.c...ort-gun-ownership-and-wariness-of-government/

Quotes that were never made by the Founders, but refuse to die, especially on the Internet, are discussed.
http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

George Washington on firearms
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=33357

Was George Washington the source of this quote equating government gun control with evil intentions?
http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q...-this-quote-equating-government-gun-control-w

Quotes, Misquotes and Guns
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/20/1172278/-Quotes-Misquotes-and-Guns


George Washingun
http://www.snopes.com/george-washington-gun-quote/
 
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FYI

California gun laws: Jerry Brown signs major new restrictions on firearms owners, rejects others - San Jose Mercury News
California gun laws: Jerry Brown signs major new restrictions on firearms owners, rejects others

“Gov. Jerry Brown this morning took swift action on a sweeping package of bills designed to keep the state's residents safer from deadly gun violence, signing several major new restrictions on firearms owners into law while vetoing others.

The governor announced his decisions less than 24 hours after the Legislature passed a dozen gun bills.

Ignoring Republicans' strident objections, the Assembly on Thursday endorsed legislation previously approved by the Senate that would require background checks to purchase ammunition, ban possession of high-capacity magazines and close a loophole in the state's existing assault weapons ban by prohibiting long guns with "bullet buttons" that make it easier for shooters to swap magazines…………


State gun control law.........What say you?
 
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Fledermaus said:
I suggest the thread be closed as everyone agrees the OP is debunked.
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As some here say, states do not have the constitutional right to regulate guns……….
How do yall explain below……..
Gun laws in the United States by state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

State Gun Control Laws
State Gun Control Laws - FindLaw

NRA-ILA Gun Laws
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/

NRA-ILA | State Gun Laws
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/

State Gun Control Laws
State Gun Control Laws
 
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imyoda said:
Why Gun Nuts Lie ? I Know From Experience
Why Gun Nuts Lie - I Know From Experience

“………I also understand and appreciate our Constitution. I’m fully aware of the 2nd Amendment, and how its authors wanted to prevent government tyranny. Considering what they had gone through, they had every right to demand such a thing.”


There are lots of reasons why people lie. And without question they lie about guns. But to eliminate the author suggests there is no need to lie if following proposal is implemented which will end all the controversy:



“Treat guns like cars.

Mandatory licenses
License renewals
Mandatory training
Mandatory insurance
Operating laws
Operating age limits
Restrict some models
Require safety inspections
Mandatory registration
Background checks
With this, the manufacturers of guns are never held accountable for the actions of people who abuse their products.

Do we have a deal?

Let’s stop acting like there are only 2 sides of this argument. We’re killing each other. Literally.
Please, for the love of logic, stop using outdated ridiculous concepts of tyranny to defend the dying dinosaur that is our 2nd Amendment.
Like it or not, it needs an update”


I think this is a great idea and will go a long way to end the controversy and eliminate the need to lie

SEE:
Why Gun Nuts Lie ? I Know From Experience
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This is where you clearly are lacking any kind of knowledge.

In order to get a hunting license you must clear a hunter safety course.
the same thing goes for CCP.

there is no need for insurance on a gun. as if you are using it then you are using it for a reason.
no need for age operating limits at all as most kids have their parents near them.

no need to restrict models.
good gun owners already know how to clean and take care of their guns.
depending on the gun they already must be registered to you.
to get a gun you already have to pass a background check.

Gun makers are already no held accountable for what people do with their products same as car makers.

you deal is already in place so you don't know what you are ranting about except to rant.
so the question is why are you lying?
 
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imyoda said:
As some here say, states do not have the constitutional right to regulate guns……….
How do yall explain below……..
Gun laws in the United States by state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

State Gun Control Laws
State Gun Control Laws - FindLaw

NRA-ILA Gun Laws
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/

NRA-ILA | State Gun Laws
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/

State Gun Control Laws
State Gun Control Laws
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nope according to the constitution and to heller decision states cannot ban guns.
 
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