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9th Circuit Court of Appeals Says No Right to Concealed Gun Carry

MickeyW said:
Absolute lunacy, because California law no longer allows open carry.

And of course, all criminals can ignore this and operate as usual.
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They import illegal homemade firearms there actually. Of course they also encourage gang violence with one of the worst most corrupt cities In America.
 
chromium said:
frequently we hear from gun nuts that it's only the "criminals" who will ignore the law, thus making us less safe

but they miss the point as usual. It's the gun nuts who conceal carry who are now the criminals, and not just criminals-in-waiting
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So now the left wants to redefine laws so they can make an entire group of voters criminals? Interesting. Didn't hitler use the same justification on the Jews?
 
Gaius46 said:
As ex-LE does Oregon issue you license that designates you as such and does Ca recognize it? Just curious. My brother is retired NYPD, New York has a specific "Former LEO" permit and I'm pretty sure the surrounding states recognize it.
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There is a 50 State Permit for all LEOs and honorably retired LEOs......

Winchester said:
Oh? Seven states required CCWs, got challenged in court and lost the right to require them? Which states?
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Rights gained....not lost!
I stand corrected....there are now eight(8) states where the Second Amendment is the only carry permit required....and the way it should be everywhere.

Eight States Where The 2nd Amendment Is Your Concealed Carry Permit - Breitbart
 
Phys251 said:
And that's why we have elections, to make sure that the rights of all people, not just a privileged few, are protected. See you in November!
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And hopefully Hillary will be soundly defeated, because she is anti-gun and will appoint judges who are like minded.

She hates the police and the military and her own SS that have to protect her mangy, fat ass!
 
TurtleDude said:
if you had nothing relevant to say, why did you not just refrain from posting?
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Ditto!

RetiredNSmilin said:
The 9th Circuit Court also has the highest rate of overturned rulings of them all.

It is easy to see why, they are mostly all insane.
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liberals are like that......

Phys251 said:
Wow that didn't take you long. See, there's this thing called obstructionism, and Congressional Republicans have it in spades. There is a silent majority of Americans that is sick of crap like that and ready to return to having a functioning, more healthy government.
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Well, if you don't think the Demos don't obstruct on a regular basis, then you aren't paying attention!
 
MickeyW said:
Rights gained....not lost!
I stand corrected....there are now eight(8) states where the Second Amendment is the only carry permit required....and the way it should be everywhere.

Eight States Where The 2nd Amendment Is Your Concealed Carry Permit - Breitbart
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Those are all state legislature passed laws. I'm looking for a state that had it's CCW requirement challenged in court and they lost because it violates the 2nd. Also for all practical purposes Montana really does require a CCW so it shouldn't be on the list of 8, though I honestly don't think I'd get in trouble carrying in a municipality without one.
 
Phys251 said:
And that's why we have elections, to make sure that the rights of all people, not just a privileged few, are protected. See you in November!
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No, that's why we have a constitution that clearly states what our civil rights are, that isn't open to interpretation.
 
chromium said:
frequently we hear from gun nuts that it's only the "criminals" who will ignore the law, thus making us less safe

but they miss the point as usual. It's the gun nuts who conceal carry who are now the criminals, and not just criminals-in-waiting
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1. a gun nut is a piece of metal that helps hold the gun together

2. law abiding people who own guns for self defense, are intelligent and savvy folks

3. Those legitimate citizens who own many guns, lots of ammo and like to talk about and shoot guns for recreational purposes and have them for self defense and hunting..........are gun enthusiasts.

4. Criminals don't care about gun laws ...or any laws ...........and gun enthusiasts are not criminals unless they break the law.

chromium said:
lol the article is from 2010 and the data from 2008. It's now the 6th circuit that's the most overturned, by far. Now with scalia gone the odds are even less likely to overturn this. The only question is if concealed carry gets banned nationwide
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That would be a really bad thing for liberal cowards

chromium said:
no, the right to bear arms applies to militia only, and only so long as it's "necessary for the security of a free state," which it clearly hasn't been since the 18th century. Being as generous as i am though, i can countenance gun ownership in the bedroom for self defense and that's it. Hunters can use a bow and arrow
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No it is not just for the militia!
And you are NOT generous in the least, so stop patting yourself on the back. You are a bannoid....admit it.

The most dangerous places are not in the bedroom, unless you are with a devil woman....
So you have no problem with you or others being victims of crime and think the criminals are just misunderstood?

TurtleDude said:
that's stupid. If the NINTH amendment somehow can be used to strike down laws banning homosexual sodomy, it certainly is more legitimate to be used to strike down gun restrictions. BTW anal sex has caused more deaths in the USA over the last 30 years than legally owned firearms
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Ironic that the brown weenie brigade fear guns more than anal sex, isn't it.

blackjack50 said:
They import illegal homemade firearms there actually. Of course they also encourage gang violence with one of the worst most corrupt cities In America.
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They don't have to import them any longer, they can construct their own with no serial numbers, no dealer and no paper work to BATF.

80% lowers, are the rage now.

Winchester said:
Those are all state legislature passed laws. I'm looking for a state that had it's CCW requirement challenged in court and they lost because it violates the 2nd. Also for all practical purposes Montana really does require a CCW so it shouldn't be on the list of 8, though I honestly don't think I'd get in trouble carrying in a municipality without one.
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Here is a much broader and more definitive list, including Montana.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry
 
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MickeyW said:
And hopefully Hillary will be soundly defeated, because she is anti-gun and will appoint judges who are like minded.

She hates the police and the military and her own SS that have to protect her mangy, fat ass!
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:lamo
 
chromium said:
no, the right to bear arms applies to militia only, and only so long as it's "necessary for the security of a free state," which it clearly hasn't been since the 18th century. Being as generous as i am though, i can countenance gun ownership in the bedroom for self defense and that's it. Hunters can use a bow and arrow
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No, the right to life and liberty, is natural and unalienable. The bill of rights doesnt grant anyone the right to defending themselves with a weapon, it prohibits the govt from infringing on your natural right to do so. The founders would laugh at the idea that only a centralized govt could tell an individual whether they could own an carry a weapon. Weapons were common in the early 18th century and no one needed a license to buy or carry one.

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

-thomas jefferson

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."

-Sam Adams

“A free people ought to be armed.” – George Washington.
 
jonny5 said:
No, the right to life and liberty, is natural and unalienable. The bill of rights doesnt grant anyone the right to defending themselves with a weapon, it prohibits the govt from infringing on your natural right to do so. The founders would laugh at the idea that only a centralized govt could tell an individual whether they could own an carry a weapon. Weapons were common in the early 18th century and no one needed a license to buy or carry one.

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

-thomas jefferson

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."

-Sam Adams

“A free people ought to be armed.” – George Washington.
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Certain folks on here and abroad, seem to discount, or like to reinterpret, the Constitution and Bill of Rights to suit their own misguided thought process.

Thanks for the clarity....Great post! :thumbs::thumbs:
 
Phys251 said:
Wow that didn't take you long. See, there's this thing called obstructionism, and Congressional Republicans have it in spades. There is a silent majority of Americans that is sick of crap like that and ready to return to having a functioning, more healthy government.
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I'm curious can you explain where this more healthy government is coming from and what will make this government more healthy?
 
DifferentDrummr said:
The constitution states what the SCOTUS says it states. Always has, always will.
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Courts are an arm of government in the employ of citizens and have no authority to change the constitution.
 
And what legislative measures will be reviewed to decrease illegal weapons coming in to this stupid state/country? Are they concerned solely with law abiding citizens or are they doing everything to make it a minimum of 20 years if caught with an illegal weapon?
 
Crimefree said:
I'm curious can you explain where this more healthy government is coming from
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Just to make sure we're on the same page here, I want to emphasize that there is no comma between "more" and "healthy." As in, I believe we need to increase the health of government and its basic functions.

and what will make this government more healthy?
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Great question! Pull up a chair, grab a cup of tea, and let's discuss that. :)
 
TurtleDude said:
that's stupid. If the NINTH amendment somehow can be used to strike down laws banning homosexual sodomy, it certainly is more legitimate to be used to strike down gun restrictions. BTW anal sex has caused more deaths in the USA over the last 30 years than legally owned firearms
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or they could just focus on curing the disease...But you don't even want to address what you see as the true cause of gun violence - poverty for instance

If you didn't think it would offend me you'd pick some other stupefying analogy, like driving or obesity. I guess the 9th amendment applies less to them than guns too

i don't need the 9th amendment to ensure my rights because i have **equal protection**

i don't need the 9th amendment to validate my behavior because unlike concealed firearms that didn't exist until very recently, 'homosexual sodomy' is natural, serves a useful purpose for homosexuals, and harms no one who doesn't willingly participate. Concealed guns OTOH might be useful for gangs in south chicago, not the ivy league brats of the 1%

your use of an equally recent and (mostly formerly) deadly disease so you can try to minimize the amount of suffering your pet project has caused to innocent people only reveals how desperately duplicitous the gun fanatic movement has become. You may as well derp that syphilis killed more natives than spanish guns, it's that ****ing dumb. Innocent people are harmed by disease, and also by guns. Cowardly ****s use hidden guns to harm innocents. That is all they have in common
 
blackjack50 said:
So now the left wants to redefine laws so they can make an entire group of voters criminals? Interesting. Didn't hitler use the same justification on the Jews?
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/godwin will get you nowhere except an end to responses from me

at least accuse me of hypocrisy like embracing the deterrence method i constantly label a complete failure
 
chromium said:
or they could just focus on curing the disease...But you don't even want to address what you see as the true cause of gun violence - poverty for instance

If you didn't think it would offend me you'd pick some other stupefying analogy, like driving or obesity. I guess the 9th amendment applies less to them than guns too

i don't need the 9th amendment to ensure my rights because i have **equal protection**

i don't need the 9th amendment to validate my behavior because unlike concealed firearms that didn't exist until very recently, 'homosexual sodomy' is natural, serves a useful purpose for homosexuals, and harms no one who doesn't willingly participate. Concealed guns OTOH might be useful for gangs in south chicago, not the ivy league brats of the 1%

your use of an equally recent and (mostly formerly) deadly disease so you can try to minimize the amount of suffering your pet project has caused to innocent people only reveals how desperately duplicitous the gun fanatic movement has become. You may as well derp that syphilis killed more natives than spanish guns, it's that ****ing dumb. Innocent people are harmed by disease, and also by guns. Cowardly ****s use hidden guns to harm innocents. That is all they have in common
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you jump on gun threads and your posts suggest a zero desire to actually further discussion. Your entire schtick concerning guns is some sort of silly belief that guns ought to be bashed because you think gun owners are bigoted against homosexuals. and since that that is what motivates your anti gun posts, you really don't have any information or facts in support of your claims

99% of all legal gun owners never ever harm anyone so why do lefties constantly scream for laws that mainly harass good people who like to shoot, hunt, collect firearms or make their own safety a personal responsibility
 
MickeyW said:
A divided federal appeals court in California ruled Thursday that there is no constitutional right to carry a concealed handgun, adding to a division among the lower courts on gun rights outside the home.

By a vote of 7-4, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco upheld a California law that requires gun owners to show a good reason before they can get a license to carry a concealed handgun.

"The protection of the Second Amendment — whatever the scope of that protection may be — simply does not extend to the carrying of concealed firearms in public by members of the general public."

9th Circuit Court of Appeals Says No Right to Concealed Gun Carry - NBC News
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Looks like every state is going to have allow Open Carry.
 
TurtleDude said:
Your entire schtick concerning guns is some sort of silly belief that guns ought to be bashed because you think gun owners are bigoted against homosexuals.
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well you sure aren't doing a good job proving how unjustified that position would be
 
Phys251 said:
Just to make sure we're on the same page here, I want to emphasize that there is no comma between "more" and "healthy." As in, I believe we need to increase the health of government and its basic functions.
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Irrelevant and wasting key strokes.

Great question! Pull up a chair, grab a cup of tea, and let's discuss that. :)
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Your claim defend it. I'm waiting. If you had said make citizens hold government accountable I'd say that was a good start.
 
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