SESSIONS: 2nd Amendment Extinct If Hillary Elected...

Orly? said:

What you don't get is that it is these most violent people that are voting to take away the law abiding citizens guns....

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"These most violent people" being the gang bangers and drug dealers who regularly shoot each other over turf or gang affiliation?

Really?

I don't think those people vote at all.

But, if they did, they'd no doubt vote for Trump.

Dittohead not! said:

"These most violent people" being the gang bangers and drug dealers who regularly shoot each other over turf or gang affiliation?

Really?

I don't think those people vote at all.

But, if they did, they'd no doubt vote for Trump.

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Blacks vote Demcrat 90% of the time or higher

so how do you claim that gang bangers would for Trump?

TurtleDude said:

Blacks vote Demcrat 90% of the time or higher

so how do you claim that gang bangers would for Trump?

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Does "black" equal "gang banger"?

We have black, Hispanic, Asian, and white gangs here. I don't think any of them actually vote. I can't prove that, of course, but their loyalty is to the gang, not the country.

And, given the mentality of the gangs and of the Trumpeteers, I can only speculate that they'd like Trump.

jet57 said:

Look dude: we have to "ungenmeralize" the term then don't we. This is a country of over 300 million people, and if the majority wants such weapons restricted, then that's what's going to happen: that's how simple it is. We have a large problem of gun violence in this country and it's clearly demanding a solution, so if you guys on the gun crowd side can't come up with viable, workable, reasonable solutions to the problem besides "put'em all in jail!" and "more guns!", then you all are going to have to live with the results that are administered. So, I don;t know where you think I'm attempting to insult your intelligence: I never mentioned "the militia" in this thread, but you guys on the right are going to have to come to term with the way the tide is going or you're all just going to get swept to the margins and ignored.

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Here's some solutions for ya that don't involve one single bit of gun control.

1: Education. The more educated a person is the less chance they have of committing a violent crime. My proposal, study the top 10 school systems in the entire world. Take the best of those systems and implement them here in the US. Just throwing money at the problem isn't going to solve our education problem. Need a whole education reform if we're going to hope to educate people properly.

2: Mental Health Reform and Education: This is partly a part of point #1. Educate people to recognize mental health problems. Encourage everyone to help those people and encourage those people to seek professional help. Make it easier to commit those with mental problems that have violent tendencies to a mental health treatment center.

3: Prison Reform: We need to transform our prisons from one of punishment to one of rehabilitation. As it stands if someone goes into prison they're far more likely to come out worse off and more of a hardened criminal than when they went in. That needs to change. Rehabilitating people is far more preferable and doing so will decrease the chances of recidivism. Next: Deny all criminal records to everyone but the federal government, and even then some restrictions should be implemented. This will also require a full restoration of all Rights. Part of the reason for recidivism is because when someone gets out of prison/jail it is extremely hard for them to find good paying jobs or affordable housing. This is because potential employers, housing projects, rental owners demand this information as a condition of acceptance and 9 times outta 10 if they see even the slightest of criminal history they'll simply discard the application without even an interview. This makes the ex-criminal feel helpless and feel that they have to resort back to their criminal ways in order to get beyond where they're at. Now the concern of this of course is "well, what about pedophiles! You really want a kindergarten teacher that's a pedophile!" The answer of course is, of course not. The answer to this is simple. Part of the rehabilitation process will include the evaluation of whether the person can be trusted outside of prison. Quite simply, if they cannot be then they stay in prison. Even if that means that they stay there the rest of their lives. This essentially means no more min/max sentencing by the courts. Such should only be determined by professionals that interact with the person on a daily basis who are more able to tell if someone is rehabilitated or not.

4: Economic hardships: I'm not sure how to go about this quite frankly, but we need to focus on improving the economic viability of those that are poor. Being poor is one of the major reasons that people turn to a life of crime. We need to find a way to where people are not struggling jus to make ends meet. Particularly in single parent households where mom/dad has to work while their children are out getting into who knows what kind of trouble. I do believe however that point #1 will help tremendously with this. So we'll more than likely need to just focus on the ones that essentially slip through the cracks. Perhaps a guaranteed form of income for everyone regardless if one has a job or not would help also. Though there are lots of people against this I think it would help lots.

Now, how's that for some solutions? And not one single thing about gun control in there.

jet57 said:

No, urban areas can thank the street gangs working for the cartels. It's all over the country and people are sick of it. THAT'S what Hillary seeks to change and I for one and going to help her do it.

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Actually there are very few urban centers with out of control gangs. You'll find that those areas are generally in the states/cities with the most gun control.

jet57 said:

If we control the proliferation of illegal guns on the streets, particularly the cashe of assault weapons, then our border can be Niagra Falls and we'll be okay.

Clyde Barrow should not have had a BAR and Al Capone's people should not have had Thompsons.

Get it?

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How are you going to control the proliferation of illegal guns on the streets without impacting responsible honest gun owners?

Dittohead not! said:

Does "black" equal "gang banger"?

We have black, Hispanic, Asian, and white gangs here. I don't think any of them actually vote. I can't prove that, of course, but their loyalty is to the gang, not the country.

And, given the mentality of the gangs and of the Trumpeteers, I can only speculate that they'd like Trump.

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so you just made it up. You are right in that the gang bangers rarely vote but Professor Pam Karlan has noted that most felons will vote democrat when they can which is why its the Democrat party what is trying to get felons re-enfranchised

Kal'Stang said:

How are you going to control the proliferation of illegal guns on the streets without impacting responsible honest gun owners?

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They really don't care. To the gun restrictionists, its ok to disarm a million honest people if it might impede a few criminals from being armed. That is because their real goal is to disarm honest people or at least make owning guns legally so difficult that most people do not

TurtleDude said:

so you just made it up. You are right in that the gang bangers rarely vote but Professor Pam Karlan has noted that most felons will vote democrat when they can which is why its the Democrat party what is trying to get felons re-enfranchised

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I just made it up, wild speculation. Now, it appears you are engaging in the same thing. The Democrats are trying to get felons re enfranchised because criminals vote Democratic? Well, that could be, but it is just as speculative as my assertion that the gang bangers would like Trump, were they politically aware at all.

Dittohead not! said:

I just made it up, wild speculation. Now, it appears you are engaging in the same thing. The Democrats are trying to get felons re enfranchised because criminals vote Democratic? Well, that could be, but it is just as speculative as my assertion that the gang bangers would like Trump, were they politically aware at all.

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you would agree with me that felons and gangbangers tend to be the same sort of people

TurtleDude said:

you would agree with me that felons and gangbangers tend to be the same sort of people

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yes, of course. The cockroaches in the cellar are the same, whether they're the big brown ones or the little gray ones.