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Are guns a problem in the US?

RetiredUSN said:
Doctors kill 200,000 patients a year.

Just imagine if they had guns!
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And just think of how many more die of old age despite guns every year. I guess that means they really aren't really so bad after all right ? :roll:
 
flogger said:
And just think of how many more die of old age despite guns every year. I guess that means they really aren't really so bad after all right ? :roll:
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we are hoping our having guns stresses out foreigners who hate our freedom:mrgreen:
 
flogger said:
You define freedom by how easily you can kill each other we don't. Good luck with that :wink:
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stop lying about how I define freedom. I define freedom as not having a nanny state treat me like a child, unlike you residents in nanny state england. Your rulers don't even trust you to carry a folding knife.
 
TurtleDude said:
stop lying about how I define freedom. I define freedom as not having a nanny state treat me like a child, unlike you residents in nanny state england. Your rulers don't even trust you to carry a folding knife.
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No you simply want an excuse to shoot somebody and have even publicly fantasised about having done so here. You really can't wait for it to happen one day too.

You have also claimed guns somehow make you more heroic. Thats the mindset that separates our two societies. We think guns being personally held in large numbers in order to bolster such misplaced bravado outside the military are just something for inadequate cowards to hide behind
 
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flogger said:
Call me picky but I'd call a half million gun deaths since the turn of the century a big problem and one thats not reflected in any other developed society
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That problem has been caused by the people who misused the guns.
 
TurtleDude said:
we are hoping our having guns stresses out foreigners who hate our freedom:mrgreen:
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And they do.........

flogger said:
You define freedom by how easily you can kill each other we don't. Good luck with that :wink:
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No, we define freedom by how well we can defend ourselves and stay alive.

Your posts are very childish in scope.
 
flogger said:
No you simply want an excuse to shoot somebody and have even publicly fantasised about having done so here. You really can't wait for it to happen one day too.

You have also claimed guns somehow make you more heroic. Thats the mindset that separates our two societies. We think guns being personally held in large numbers in order to bolster such misplaced bravado outside the military are just something for inadequate cowards to hide behind
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See childish posts ....above.....

flogger said:
So why isn't that misuse problem an issue in other developed countries do you think ?
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Oh, but it is.......those elsewhere kill with impunity using, knives, large clubs, motor vehicles, fire, strangulation, intentional medical actions, or drugs in general by perpetrator .............or just a good shove from high places, or into the river, beer vat or log shredder!
You have no high ground flogger, you just think you have!

shrubnose said:
Other countries on this planet have different histories,laws and demographics than the USA.
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That too.

Interesting that the liberal twits from England, desire to compare what goes on in their tiny little country, with 64.1 million (2013) to that of our vast country, with 316.5 million ‎(2013). ;)

Not to mention their death by the gun figures ...are all lumped together. Suicides, Death by Cop(good show old chaps), Death by Civilians(gangabagers and other criminoids, killing each other(good deal there too), plus righteous shootings by people in self defense, and finally accidents.

Arrogant bastards just think they are so superior ....and that's been their problem since the 1600s! The main reason we went our separate ways and booted their whiny little butts, back across the pond!

And they are still whining!
 
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shrubnose said:
No,after the demographic change that's going on in the USA right now takes full effect.

The clock is ticking.

No one can stop time and/or change.
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Thats a steep price to pay to get rid of the second amendment by ignoring immigration and the dilution and ultimate destruction of the middle class.
 
If guns make us safer, why isn't the United States the safest country in the world ?

TurtleDude said:
as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.
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Gun Humpers....



Seller: "The good thing is, though, if you don't like it you can just sell it later and its not in your name like when you buy a new one you have to worry where it's going to end up"

They are the ones guaranteeing that there are plenty of weapons available to criminals, which is why they will always live in fear of crimials having a gun.


 
Utility Man said:
If guns make us safer, why isn't the United States the safest country in the world ?



Gun Humpers....



Seller: "The good thing is, though, if you don't like it you can just sell it later and its not in your name like when you buy a new one you have to worry where it's going to end up"

They are the ones guaranteeing that there are plenty of weapons available to criminals, which is why they will always live in fear of crimials having a gun.
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and yet people like you proffer the solution of restricting good people from having guns
 
A closer look at the FBI crime stats reveals that if blacks are excluded the murder rate here is 2 per 100,000 and very comparable to 1.6 in Canada, rather than a commonly used number 5.

The FBI lumps whites with Hispanics, which looks like a deliberate attempt to emphasize white crimes and diminish the black crimes in relative terms.

Not all murders are bad. Two gang bangers in Chicago killing each other is a good thing, just like a drunk hitting a tree and dying alone. Because of that, the U.S. murder rate should be adjusted down even further.
 
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legalimmigrant said:
A closer look at the FBI crime stats reveals that if blacks are excluded the murder rate here is 2 per 100,000 and very comparable to that of Canada, rather than a commonly used number 5.

The FBI lumps whites with Hispanics, which looks like a deliberate attempt to emphasize white crimes and diminish the black crimes in relative terms.

Not all murders are bad. Two gang bangers in Chicago killing each other is a good thing, just like a drunk hitting a tree and dying alone. Because of that, the U.S. murder rate should be adjusted down even further.
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add into your factually correct assertion that American WHITES have the highest rate of legal gun ownership in the free world while American blacks have much lower rates of LEGAL gun ownership (which is due to several factors including high rates of felony convictions combined with living in areas where Democrat gun restrictions are prevalent and lower average incomes) and yet American whites-with far "easier access" to firearms have much LOWER Rates of firearms violence than others who don't have as easy access to guns
 
Utility Man said:
If guns make us safer, why isn't the United States the safest country in the world ?
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Because you are trying to base your silly theory on a whole country....just ludicrous...... when it's on a case by case basis, one person at a time. No place in the world is totally safe, but we can make safer places with armed citizens willing to stand up and fight.

Your theory is as silly as saying that all the police agencies and 10s of thousands of cops in the US, should make the country safer. They don't and never will. On an individual basis, gun owners are safer, because police protection is an oxymoron.

I don't own guns to keep the country safe, I own guns to keep my family, me and my neighborhood ......safer.

And using an arms dealer as some sort of defense, or example for your silly theory....is just more of the same liberal, piss ant, BS, that so many liberals seem to have....all emotion...no logic whatsoever!
 
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legalimmigrant said:
A closer look at the FBI crime stats reveals that if blacks are excluded the murder rate here is 2 per 100,000 and very comparable to 1.6 in Canada, rather than a commonly used number 5.

The FBI lumps whites with Hispanics, which looks like a deliberate attempt to emphasize white crimes and diminish the black crimes in relative terms.

Not all murders are bad. Two gang bangers in Chicago killing each other is a good thing, just like a drunk hitting a tree and dying alone. Because of that, the U.S. murder rate should be adjusted down even further.
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Hell 100 gangbangers killing each other ......is a Great thing!

TurtleDude said:
add into your factually correct assertion that American WHITES have the highest rate of legal gun ownership in the free world while American blacks have much lower rates of LEGAL gun ownership (which is due to several factors including high rates of felony convictions combined with living in areas where Democrat gun restrictions are prevalent and lower average incomes) and yet American whites-with far "easier access" to firearms have much LOWER Rates of firearms violence than others who don't have as easy access to guns
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Absolutely.
 
Utility Man said:
If guns make us safer, why isn't the United States the safest country in the world ?
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and if gun bans made people safe why wasn't Chicago the safest city in the USA along with DC and why are so many people being murdered in Mexico when its almost impossible for honest people to legally own handguns and semi auto rifles and shotguns there?
 
TurtleDude said:
and if gun bans made people safe why wasn't Chicago the safest city in the USA along with DC and why are so many people being murdered in Mexico when its almost impossible for honest people to legally own handguns and semi auto rifles and shotguns there?
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Ohhhh, the logic of it all.
 
MickeyW said:
Ohhhh, the logic of it all.
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one of the reasons why we really don't get much resistance from the anti gun side when we destroy their silly claims about public safety is because PUBLIC Safety is only a FACADE they raise to conceal what really motivates their anti gun arguments. IF public safety REALLY motivated the Bannite movement they never would have passed the HUGHES AMENDMENT banning machine guns made after May 19, 1986 since in the last 80 years, there have been NO cases of private citizens using their legally owned machine guns to kill anyone or engage in a crime of violence. The one or two murders were perpetrated by POLICE officers who owned machine guns.

And the laws that they push would actually really target violent criminals

Lets look at some of the current schemes they want

1) registration-well the supreme court ruled you can only punish a failure to register a gun if the person can legally own the gun-not CRIMINALS

2) "assault weapon bans" Criminals cannot own ANY FIREARM so those laws only impact -once again-legal gun owners

3) magazine bans-see #2

4) how many guns you can legally buy in a month or a week-Criminals cannot buy ANY firearms ANY TIME legally

5) requiring licenses or insurance to own guns-once again-Criminals are not impacted by this

so when Bannites claim their goals are CRIME CONTROL, the facts show otherwise
 
shrubnose said:
We stopped people under the age of 21 from drinking alcohol by making it illegal to sell it to them.

:lol:
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no one dies of heroin overdoses now that you have to have a prescription to obtain opioids !
 
shrubnose said:
We stopped people under the age of 21 from drinking alcohol by making it illegal to sell it to them.

:lol:
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:lamo


And no one has any problem using weed and driving, now that Oregon and Colorado have made it legal!
 
Firearms violence.....

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-homicide-for-black-men-its-very-different/

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TurtleDude said:
as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.
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